Terrorists Plot Foiled In The Uk

[Fadingtoblack]

I think they'd have to be pretty dumb to WANT people to find the bombs, now, even after these extreme security measures have been toned down a little, there will be new checks brought in to stop it happening in future - thus spoiling, or at least making their future attack very difficult to pull off.

These people need the element of surprise since security is tightening all the time.

[MetDream]

eventually...all this Bin laden ,al quieda shit will turn into the biggest war this earth has ever seen...just my views anyway lol

Thus the crux of all my fears over yesterday's events.

[superman321]

It will also most likely be a war like the world has never seen - it would trully be a war where citizens were the targets. God - sometimes I just feel like moving to a nice, peaceful little pacific island and let all the fuckwits on both sides kill themselves. AHhh, one can dream.

[Dark Angel]

OMG! THIS IS FREAKING SICK!!!! I'm flying to Germany in October and this scares me a little.

[Leighton]

Yep, be afraid everyone.

Turns out none of the arrested "bombers" have not only never made a bomb before, but most of them don't even have passports. None of them had any tickets either. So, um, what exactly will the prosecuter prosecute here?



The story is falling apart once again. Most likely the squad had nothing to show for a year's investigation so they got a quick PR stunt in before superiors pulled the plug on them.

So these authorites we're supposed to bow down to while throwing away how liquid carry-ons are the same ones shooting brothers accused of planning bombs but released them the next day... but not from hospital I'm sure. I guess it's worth inconvienencing ourselves a bit for for the sake of newly inbred fears imposed on us by our own governments if it means not having that same inconvienience imposed on us by terrorists. That 'V for Vendetta' movie is exactly where we're heading if suckers keep swallowing this stuff up.

I don't blame anyone for getting scared about these reports because they're so ingrained and incredibly targeted at your fears, but you've got to take a step back and wait for credible reports to surface about the plots. Face it folkes, the only unwelcome and secretly smuggled bombs in UK airports are the ones from the US on their way to Israel.

http://news.scotsman.com/politics.cfm?id=1100952006

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm a little more concerned if there's planes full of bombs at an airport without the knowledge of staff so they can take more precautions than I am of the person in front of me at security who has a bottle of water they want on the plane.

But I guess that's just me these days.

[Fadingtoblack]

So you're more worried about planes transporting bombs to a war zone than people taking bombs onto a flight with the specific purpose of blowing them up mid-flight?
I agree not sure how many people would be with you on that one...

Personally I'd rather the guy wanting to take water onto a plane has to take a little longer, maybe taste the thing, than risk the lives of the people on the flight on the slim chance that it's a bomb, and not checking.

It's called preventative as opposed to reactive measures.

[Leighton]

Dude, when did I say they should let people on planes with bombs? You've totally jumped the shark on that one. And I think you missed the part about the planes transporting those bombs refueling at a civillian airport without notifying them of their cargo.

Good idea about taste testing too. Maybe they should start taste testing shampoos too. The rules were made up under false pretenses and they'll stay now because of attitudes like yours. Do you actually get it? You're afraid of letting people on a plane with water now. The terrorists have beaten you and they didn't have to lift a finger. Our governments did it.

More good work from these same law enforcement officers. This is some great "preventative measures" you're on about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/attackonlondo ... 32,00.html

"...wearing a jacket 'too warm for the season'"

I just don't see what's so scary about water and jumpers. Sorry.

[Fadingtoblack]

Dude, when did I say they should let people on planes with bombs? You've totally jumped the shark on that one. And I think you missed the part about the planes transporting those bombs refueling at a civillian airport without notifying them of their cargo.

Not what I said at all mate, you said:

"I'm a little more concerned if there's planes full of bombs at an airport without the knowledge of staff so they can take more precautions than I am of the person in front of me at security who has a bottle of water they want on the plane."

I meant to outline the possibility that that bottle of water COULD be a bomb, something we've now realised as a possibility since this last attack. Maybe I could have said it a bit differently?


As for the planes transporting the bombs, I did read your article. A couple of things stood out to me:

"..A spokesman for the Civil Aviation Authority said the two flights had received the "special exemption" permits required for landing dangerous cargoes in Britain. He said reports that a shipment of bombs to Israel had landed at Prestwick yesterday evening were incorrect."
Whether he is honest or not, there is two opposing stories in this article.

and
"Prestwick is a regular stop-off for US military planes..."
So it's not like this is a new thing, just if they have been pulling a dodgy, they haven't been caught, it's not breaking news though.

Good idea about taste testing too. Maybe they should start taste testing shampoos too. laugh.gif The rules were made up under false pretenses and they'll stay now because of attitudes like yours. Do you actually get it? You're afraid of letting people on a plane with water now. The terrorists have beaten you and they didn't have to lift a finger. Our governments did it.

First off, tasting is NOT my idea, they are doing it now, with baby bottles to start, and maybe with other drinks now? I'm not sure.

And what false pretenses? And an attitude like mine? Hang on...

The terrorists have beaten no one, they've just closed off one more avenue of attack by getting caught this time. Damn I have to spend an extra half hour getting through security for some new safety measures! I can cop that, I think most people can.

You're next link: It's unfortunate that this guy had to suffer through that. Unfortunately, who would be first in line to lynch those same policemen for letting the guy walk by untouched (if he was in THEIR opinion acting suspiciously), and then blew up the train?

I've said it before law enforcement agencies are in a no win situation. Either they act, maybe in hindsight without just cause, and get torn a new one for it, or they don't act, and get torn a new one anyway ala 9/11.

You over dramatise in your political posts sometimes dude...

[Leighton]

I'm over-dramatising? I'm not the one advocating the banishment of water on flights. Just listen to the amount of "ifs" and "could'ves" in your post. What happens when the media finally realises that terrorists could use a rocket launcher or something. Bottles of water suddely seem a bit ridiculus when you consider what else could be used to bring down a plane. Would the 30 mins of extra wait be worth it when extra security could've been put to better use?

Mate, this plotting scenario is falling apart just like the one in July with the brothers. Aren't you in the least bit concerned that the law is coming down hard on what could only at worst be described as rank amatuers when there are probably a real group out there? I am. That scares me more than any threat of an attack when people seem content to let authorities just go after the shit awful plotters or the completely innocent.

Mery obviously got off a lot better than Menezes, but it's not my point to just to show his incident as being a bad example. My point is where will it end? If you're a suspected terrorist for wearing a jumper NOW, what will it be next year? Or 10 years? Everyone will have to shave? It's just 5 minutes in the morning afterall...

Here we are having an argument on the state or terrorism that we're living with, and we're all submitting to them without question. If we're testing bottles of baby milk for explosives when there are actually machines that can scan for the stuff then we have lost freedom. It might not be much, but it's a start. I thought the best way to beat terrorism was to just keep on living? That's what we're told, yet our governments are only interested in restricting us more.

[Danallica]

So you're more worried about planes transporting bombs to a war zone than people taking bombs onto a flight with the specific purpose of blowing them up mid-flight?
I agree not sure how many people would be with you on that one...

Personally I'd rather the guy wanting to take water onto a plane has to take a little longer, maybe taste the thing, than risk the lives of the people on the flight on the slim chance that it's a bomb, and not checking.

It's called preventative as opposed to reactive measures.

thats what Ive been saying for fucking ages

Proactive rather than reactive...some dont understand that