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Leighton wrote:
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I couldn't understand that people were getting so anti-American, they were practically cheering on Saddam and stating publicly they wanted to see the mass slaughter of American troops! :blink:
You don't understand because that's what no-one was saying. People just didn't want us there in the first place because we knew exactly where we'd be now.
Wait, that's exactly what people were saying. Many letters to the papers, and also columns, were saying in essence that they hope Americans would suffer huge casualties so they would LEARN THEIR LESSON.
That's what I couldn't understand.

Now I'm not talking absolutes here, not everyone was saying that, but there was sure as hell people who were.
I was not definitive either way in my first post, and you shouldn't be either.


I assume the rest of your post was replying to others in the thread, either that or you must of misunderstood something else from my post? Cos I had a "What the!" moment as I was reading it! :unsure:
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Leighton wrote:How can Osama be responsible for thousands of indirect deaths by planning for 4 plane hyjacks and a few car bomb attacks... yet Bush is immune from public prosecution cause he planned wholesale invasions of entire nations indirectly killing tens of thousands. Bizarro logic there.

Anyway...

You do realise conservative politics put Saddam in power in Iraq in the first place, don't you? Guess who's intelligence and money he used to stockpile his country with.

Of course, after the war with Iran, Saddam became expendable and the West turned on him. That's hype.

The West ignored his reason for invading Kuwait (they tapped Iraqi oil fields) so they could get their nemises after communism fell. That's hype.

The West ravaged the entire country for a decade with blockades just so they could roll the nation in a month. That was all hype. And what was the reason for invasion again? :lol: Don't even try to deny you weren't fooled by the hype.

When Saddam was caught, Zarqawi became the new hype factor for your press and Government and you can bet your bottom dollar he was killed on queue to improve relations with Iraq after the last week's Haditha massacre revelations.
Convenient to be sure. All positive spins, hype. Guess who's claimed the $25mill reward for his death? Yup, insurgents. :lol:

There'll be another Zarqawi. You'll fall for it again. You'll learn nothing. You'll feel better that you have someone to "cheer" against and your press will do the Government's job in distracting you. Americans come out to voice their opinions on gay people getting married when it has nothing to do with them, yet they don't think twice about pissing away trillions on this Iraq debacle that had nothing to do with Osama at all. There's now more troops in Afghanistan now, than there was 4 years ago. Imagine if this number was at Tora Bora when Osama was there. Imagine if the 180000 troops now in Iraq were at Tora Bora! That's how fucked up the American logic is. There's more troops 'liberating' Iraq then there was Afghanistan and the Taliban there loved terrorists while Saddam wouldn't stand for it.

It's sad that so many are easily glossed over with hype and simply don't take notice of what got you in the shit in the first place. You cheer this shit on like it was Monday night football cause it's shoved down your throat on TV. You even admit it. You live for these guys cause it gives your nation the focus of not worrying about domestic issues that actually effect you. Gay marriage seems to get people's blood boiled in the US when the private lives of other's don't affect you. I'd be a little more concerned that my country owed China hundreds of billions in your budget deficet. A bill that'll take generations to overcome. Good thing you're all fond of the Chinese.

Bush has not brought liberation to Iraq. He's brought a full-blown civil war to them. 1000 civilian deaths in Baghdad alone last month. That total is nothing on what Saddam did. Of course the US says Iraq has been on the "brink" of civil war for years now, but what else do you call 2 political/religious groups killing the fuck out of each other on the same soil? It's civil war. You just don't want to call it that until the press gives you the OK.

Shit, even the kurds who were supposed to be the big ole reason to rid Iraq of Saddam are now considered terrorists cause they bomb Turkish targets. Fancy that, Saddam was killing people now considered terrorists and you didn't cheer that... cause your press told you to hate him for that. You're easily led.

The ultimate goal of this occupation is to create 3 seperate states (religiously based) and have them bicker at each other for as long as the US can milk it. America won't attack Iran cause if they face defeat to home-made bombs in Iraq, then they'll have no chance of winning even public support against a progressive nation like Iran. In fact, the Iran sidetrack is diversion itself... hype.
again I disagree , you failed to mention 17 failed UN resolutions that he didn't hold up too.The last one stating : come clean on your WMD are face the conseqeunces.We even offered for him and his two bitch sons to leave Iraq , hell , we gave him 72 hours to accomplish that.


drop bombs , including pre emptive strikes if necassary.its amazing we havent had a al qeada planned attack since 911 but when clinton was in office it was once a year...
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Oh, Fade. Please. "that's exactly what..." "I'm not talking absolutes."

Give it a rest.

Check out my link if you think the middle-east system is broken. It just doesn't need countries dropping 500lb bombs that can't even kill people instantly. That's a fucked up system.

Flickn, you do realise there were no WMDs don't you? Jesus christ. How can they produce them when they were made up for your consumption only? And terrorism has increased 400% since Bush took office.
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Leighton wrote:Oh, Fade. Please. "that's exactly what..." "I'm not talking absolutes."

Give it a rest.

Check out my link if you think the middle-east system is broken. It just doesn't need countries dropping 500lb bombs that can't even kill people instantly. That's a fucked up system.
we dont like to kill people , just shake them up , cause a few concussions , allow them to see our country flag on the side of our uniform then watch them bleed to death
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I actually think its kinda funny that Al-Zarqawi did not die right away, It gave him some time to realize he was caught. :D
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flickn wrote:we dont like to kill people , just shake them up , cause a few concussions , allow them to see our country flag on the side of our uniform then watch them bleed to death
Why? Do you get off on this?

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6 kids died getting Zarqawi the other day. You just as happy for that?
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Leighton wrote:Oh, Fade. Please. "that's exactly what..." "I'm not talking absolutes."

Give it a rest.

Check out my link if you think the middle-east system is broken. It just doesn't need countries dropping 500lb bombs that can't even kill people instantly. That's a fucked up system.
Give what a rest exactly? What are you getting worked up about? :huh:


Here's an analogy for my first post, and your reply to it.
Me: Some people believe God exists
You: God doesn't exist. FULL STOP.

That's what I objected to - that's why I didn't use 'absolutes' (there's that tricky word again sorry), or broad generalizations. :thumbs-up:


Please, let us stay above the level of the "Bomb all the f*ckers" and "Bush sucks Dick" posts.....please, or I'll leave you to debate with those posters as much as you want, I personally have no time for it.


Re. Your last paragraph. Yes, in practice, I believe the system is broken. The levels of poverty, corruption and oppression speak for themselves.

And I never mentioned anything either way on America...........
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Dude, just click on the link and have a look around places like Iran. It's Mot dirt roads or anything. It's the equivilant to the Sydneys and melbournes of the world.

No-one wanted the Australian or US troops to die at Iraqi hands, they didn't want them there at all. How could an anti-war protester encourage war to teach a lesson? As far as I took the debates at the time there was only one side of the arguement willing to send troops to the war zone and certainly wasn't mine.
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I just realised a flaw in my analogy:

Instead of:

Me: Some people believe God exists
You: God doesn't exist. FULL STOP.

it should have been:

Me: Some people believe God exists
You: NO ONE believes that God exists. FULL STOP.


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fadingtoblack wrote:I just realised a flaw in my analogy:

Instead of:

Me: Some people believe God exists
You: God doesn't exist. FULL STOP.

it should have been:

Me: Some people believe God exists
You: NO ONE believes that God exists. FULL STOP.


:)
Give it a rest, Fade. Your literal arguement was

"Some people wrote they wanted troops to die"

Mine was:

"No-one wants troops to die"

What's the problem with leaving it at that? :rolleyes:
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