What the hell are they up to nowadays? This war against the palestinians is getting on my nervs and my hatred against Israel is growing bigger and bigger by the time they're bombing.
As much as I hate what the palestinians do with their suicide bombings I somewhat understand their frustration over someone coming and taking over their country. What they ( the palestinians ) have done to innocent israelians is though totally unforgivable and shall in no way be overseen and forgiven.
But the effect of these bombings from Isreal is clearly that people are starting to feel for the palestinians, which I'm pretty sure of, is not the soul purpose of Israel's attacks. People are starting to more and more turn to Libanon and palestinias side, so what have Israel accomplished by these attacks other than( just doing what they themselves have hated so much with the palestinian suicde bombings) killing innocent civilians?
What's your opinion on these brutal attacks ( both the suicide bombings and the ongoing war ).
Why can't we just decide that they all should join and live unde the same conditions and rules as one Nation. Then, the palestinians could go free to their holy places in Israel and no one would have to bomb anyone? It sounds a bit absurb, but what the hell, is there any better sollution at the moment?
Your thoughts!
5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
there is none...when you have a militant group running the government???
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
I'm kind of pissed at this response by Israel. Yeah, go all the way to Iran, kill everybody and then get surprised with the rise of anti-semitism...

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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
It's just overkill by the Israelis. I'd be pissed if two Australian soldiers were kidnapped while on patrol, but I'd be mystified if 8 Australian soldiers died on the first day of fighting to recover them. That shit might fly for Hollywood and 'Saving Private Ryan', but it's nonsense in reality.
Then there's the threat it creates for the regular folk.
Then there's the threat it creates for the regular folk.
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
Meh, Palestine started it up again, they couldnt leave sleeping dogs lie could they. Now they are all crying, what do you expect
No doubt its sad that it has once again come to hot conflict and civilians are being killed on both sides, who will be the bigger man and stop it though
No doubt its sad that it has once again come to hot conflict and civilians are being killed on both sides, who will be the bigger man and stop it though
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
Both sides (both whom I mean the Palestinians and the Israelis) of this conflict are now in a situation of damned if they do, damned if they don't. I feel for the lebanese people who are now suffering due to idiotic actions by hezbollah, whose supposed affinity for the palestinians I somewhat doubt, but at the same time I'm not exactly sure either what Israel should have done.
At the same time, Israel continues to create problems for itself because while they gain lots of publicity for the big ploanned withdrawl, the quietly go about expanding other settlements further into land occupied by the Palestinian people.
Man there are some serious problems in that region.
At the same time, Israel continues to create problems for itself because while they gain lots of publicity for the big ploanned withdrawl, the quietly go about expanding other settlements further into land occupied by the Palestinian people.
Man there are some serious problems in that region.
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
hezbollah were the group who kidnapped the two israli soldiers yeh?
End hezbollah end the problem
End hezbollah end the problem
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
well they went over the isreal border and kidnapped a military officer.Isreal has all the rights in thier means to get him back , then hezbollah went over the southern lebanon border and kidnap 2 isreali military officers , once agian isreal is defending her selve.Give back the 3 guards and isreal will stop bombing southern lebanon
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
Here is an explanation written by an Israeli who has been following the situation for many years. Hope this clears a few things up....
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>Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago. Over the years, Hizbollah has carried out various cross-border attacks and Israel barely responded. This was seen by Hizbollah as weakness by Israel and over the years Hizbollah has stockpiled more than 10,000 rockets and missiles, some of them capable of hitting Tel Aviv and other cities in central and southern Israel. Most of those rockets came from Iran and Syria which have used Hizbollah as a proxy armed against Israel.
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>Until 1996, Hizbollah kept its rockets and weapons in separate installations but after Israel destroyed many of its stockpiles in 1996 it changed this. Instead Hizbollah hid most of this weaponry as well as its commanders and fighters in apartment buildings, shops houses, farms etc because it believed that Israel would never attack civilian installations. It essentially used these civilians as human shields as they did so willingly as Shiites and Hizbollah supporters.
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What happened last week was the straw that broke the camel's back. Hizbollah carried out an attack on sovereign Israeli territory, kidnapped two soldiers patrolling the border and fired rockets and other ammunition at civilian homes near the border. Under international law, such an attack is considered an act of war. This attack against sovereign Israeli territory, not occupied territory, was a red line for Israel because this is the Middle East and if Israel had yet again turned a blind eye to what is going on then it would have signalled to the entire region that Israel is weak and can be attacked without any real cost.
The only reason that Israel has survived all these years among hostile countries is because it has the threat of deterrence which means basically if you do something to Israel then you can expect it to boomerang big time on you. Without deterrence, Israel would have disappeared decades ago.
The Hizbollah rockets on Israeli cities such as Haifa, Tiberias, Nazareth etc was another red line. Again, Israel cannot stand by and allow rockets capable of destroying entire apartment buildings from being fired at its cities because if it does so then it sends a signal to its enemies they pay no or a very low price for such attacks.
That is why Israel responded the way it did.
It should be noted that most of the Israeli attacks were against Hizbollah installations, rocket launches, weapons stockpiles. There were also air strikes on the Beirut airport, petrol storage facilities, roads and bridges. This was intended to prevent Hizbollah from being rearmed by Iran which has sent planes almost daily over the past few years loaded with rockets, missiles and explosives
It should also be noted that the United Nations passed a resolution several years ago demanding the Lebanese government disarm Hizbollah and deploy forces along the border with Israel. Lebanon has not done that because Hizbollah is so powerful from its support by Iran that the Lebanese government has not been able to implement this resolution.
The timing of the Hizbollah attack last week was particularly interesting. It took place just before a G8 summit that was intended to discuss sanctions against Iran due to its efforts to obtain nuclear weapons. Many experts believe that Iran ordered Hizbollah to carry out the attack to divert the attention of world leaders attending the G8 summit from its nuclear program.
It should also be noted that world leaders have decided to give Israel time to finish the job against Hizbollah. They know that if Hizbollah gets away with the rocket strikes and the attack on Israel then the entire region will be destabilised and Israel's days could well be numbered. They also know that this mini-battle is between Iran's proxy army Hizbollah and Israel. But if this battle is lost or not won convincingly then the next one will be against Iran and it could affect the entire Western world as Iran is very close to having nuclear weapons and it already has missiles capable of hitting Europe.
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>Israel withdrew from Lebanon six years ago. Over the years, Hizbollah has carried out various cross-border attacks and Israel barely responded. This was seen by Hizbollah as weakness by Israel and over the years Hizbollah has stockpiled more than 10,000 rockets and missiles, some of them capable of hitting Tel Aviv and other cities in central and southern Israel. Most of those rockets came from Iran and Syria which have used Hizbollah as a proxy armed against Israel.
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>Until 1996, Hizbollah kept its rockets and weapons in separate installations but after Israel destroyed many of its stockpiles in 1996 it changed this. Instead Hizbollah hid most of this weaponry as well as its commanders and fighters in apartment buildings, shops houses, farms etc because it believed that Israel would never attack civilian installations. It essentially used these civilians as human shields as they did so willingly as Shiites and Hizbollah supporters.
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What happened last week was the straw that broke the camel's back. Hizbollah carried out an attack on sovereign Israeli territory, kidnapped two soldiers patrolling the border and fired rockets and other ammunition at civilian homes near the border. Under international law, such an attack is considered an act of war. This attack against sovereign Israeli territory, not occupied territory, was a red line for Israel because this is the Middle East and if Israel had yet again turned a blind eye to what is going on then it would have signalled to the entire region that Israel is weak and can be attacked without any real cost.
The only reason that Israel has survived all these years among hostile countries is because it has the threat of deterrence which means basically if you do something to Israel then you can expect it to boomerang big time on you. Without deterrence, Israel would have disappeared decades ago.
The Hizbollah rockets on Israeli cities such as Haifa, Tiberias, Nazareth etc was another red line. Again, Israel cannot stand by and allow rockets capable of destroying entire apartment buildings from being fired at its cities because if it does so then it sends a signal to its enemies they pay no or a very low price for such attacks.
That is why Israel responded the way it did.
It should be noted that most of the Israeli attacks were against Hizbollah installations, rocket launches, weapons stockpiles. There were also air strikes on the Beirut airport, petrol storage facilities, roads and bridges. This was intended to prevent Hizbollah from being rearmed by Iran which has sent planes almost daily over the past few years loaded with rockets, missiles and explosives
It should also be noted that the United Nations passed a resolution several years ago demanding the Lebanese government disarm Hizbollah and deploy forces along the border with Israel. Lebanon has not done that because Hizbollah is so powerful from its support by Iran that the Lebanese government has not been able to implement this resolution.
The timing of the Hizbollah attack last week was particularly interesting. It took place just before a G8 summit that was intended to discuss sanctions against Iran due to its efforts to obtain nuclear weapons. Many experts believe that Iran ordered Hizbollah to carry out the attack to divert the attention of world leaders attending the G8 summit from its nuclear program.
It should also be noted that world leaders have decided to give Israel time to finish the job against Hizbollah. They know that if Hizbollah gets away with the rocket strikes and the attack on Israel then the entire region will be destabilised and Israel's days could well be numbered. They also know that this mini-battle is between Iran's proxy army Hizbollah and Israel. But if this battle is lost or not won convincingly then the next one will be against Iran and it could affect the entire Western world as Iran is very close to having nuclear weapons and it already has missiles capable of hitting Europe.
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Re: 5 Good Reasons Not To Bomb Israel?
I think that Doin sums it up pretty well; I believe that Israel has the right to defend itself against its opressors.
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