College Shooting In Montreal

[Danallica]

See if this is in Michael Moore's next movie aye

[Leighton]

Moore's next film is about health care.

[Sepu]

it's always sad to see news like these.
I remember isn't the first time that something like this happens in Canada...am I wrong?

[Fadingtoblack]

See if this is in Michael Moore's next movie aye

Well someone will have to exploit it...

[Danallica]

that emotion cracks me up

what I was sort of getting at that in bowling... moore was saying how its strange that slightly north of america is canada which is o so perfect in comparison, and something like columbine would never happen there because american culure is so terrilbe and promotes that kind of behaviour, so it was sort of a sarcastic remark.

anyway probably not best get in another argument over this kind of stuff

[superman321]

Ohh god don't let this discussion get political. I remember the last time this board discussed Michael Moore and it really wasn't the finest time ever since he seems to bring out the strongest feelings in many - either love him or hate him. So how about we don't get into it again.

[Danallica]

read my sig and let that be it

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read this, its bullshit, from a news source

Gunman Who Opened Fire At Montreal College Was Heavy Metal Fanatic - Sep. 14, 2006

The gunman who opened fire at a Montreal college Wednesday (September 13), killing one student and wounding at least 19 others before being gunned down by police, has been identified as heavy-metal fan Kimveer Gill (Photo#1, Photo#2), of Laval, north of Montreal, according to the Montreal La Presse newspaper.

In an online blog, Kimveer Gill includes a photo of a tombstone with his name printed on it — below it the phrase: "Lived fast died young. Left a mangled corpse."

The blog, posted on an online hub of goth culture, paints a dark portrait of the 25-year-old man published reports have identified as the trenchcoat-wearing gunman who opened fire on students at Montreal's Dawson College Wednesday, killing one and injuring 19 others, according to the Canadian Press.

Gill's list of favourite music groups is a who's who of heavy metal: OZZY OSBOURNE, MARILYN MANSON, IRON MAIDEN, DANZIG and METALLICA, but only the "old stuff."

His favorite movies list includes mostly gory horror films. He enjoys violent video games including the controversial "Postal", a first-person shooter game, in which the protagonist goes on a killing spree while completing everyday errands.

A questionnaire on the blog reveals both banal and disturbing insights into Gill's life.

He likes drinking, owns 300 CDs, prefers Burger King over MacDonalds and says "heavy metal rules."

Read more at CNEWS.

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here we go again.

see the thing is I like drinking and own >300 Cds, yet I dont go shotting people, and listen to far far 'worse' metal than that

[superman321]

I don't agree that metal etc. makes kids kill, however, it is interesting that all these kids who do this shit listen to metal and watch horror movies. I am starting to think that possibly these genres attract those who are psycholigically vulnerable.

I think what this story speaks of most is the fact that too many governments and schools are trully failing kids in aspects much more important and complicated than mere grades. It just seems that these kids, who are the same age as me, are becoming all the more isolated and seemingly desperate to express this 'rage'. I don't know what has changed so greatly in the past 10-20 years, but it does seem that these young people are feeling more and more hemmed in, isolated and full of hatred. It is truly frightening, because in all honesty I only see these continuing and getting worse and worse.

[Danallica]

Meh, metal doesnt attract kids who are phscholically fucked up, its just thats the only brand of music you hear of that supposedly causes this kind of stuff. Rappers kill far more people than metal heads ever have or would, and that is because rappers are wankers, but everyone sees them as 'misunderstood' where as the metalhead who goes on a shooting spree is fucked up because of metal, what a load of crap.

It should be the schools responsiblity to teach, not to intervine in a kids life, thats the job of parents, schools have enough to do, people just look for an easy scape goat, in this case its metal, rather than blaming their own problems.

The kid was fucked up before he shot, he should have been in an institution before hand. This guy was clearly apart of some gothic group full of nut jobs who should all be in institutions of some form, the answer isnt blaming metal, or any one thing.

[superman321]

I wasn't blaming metal and I don't think there is any way to read my post as doing that. What I was saying, was that metal (and horror films) seem to appear attractice to these kids who are seemingly filled with hatred, rage and feel so desperately isolated. Also, comparing to rap is flawed. Thoswe who shoort up rap concerts do so for simply for reasons of murder, drug deals gone bad etc. Contrastingly, as we are seeing and hearing, these kids who are shooting up schools and universities have serious mental and psychological issues with these feelings of rage etc. It is not simplistic muder or bad drug deals, it is deeper than that.

Finally, on schools. I do think it is the responsibility of schools and governments to provide emotionally stable, sheltering and nurturing environments. We currently live in countries (those of us in Aus, the US, Britain etc.) where over 30% of marriages end in divorce, many more than that are enduring though unhappy marriages. Much more pressure is now placed upon kids in schooling, and generally, people seem to give less of a fuck about others. Its all too easy for us Dan, who went to a good school and who come from good backgrounds to see it as all the fault or responsibility of parents. But does that mean that for those unlucky enough not to have supportive parents, to instead have abusive parents, alcoholic parents or drug addicted parents that well, fuck you and bad luck. This is sort of off topic (since all the facts about this kid haven;t come out yet) but if we look at past cases, too many had horid childhoods and came from greatly unstable families.

And personally, I think everything that can be done must be done to try and help these 'problem' kids as they are labelled now to rpevent these sort of incidents before they happen. I don't know how this would be done, but surely schools and governments have to get pro-active. Its been documented that there are numerous signs that can be seen, and often these kids are problem students and so maybe it is time to get beyond punishment, and start working with these kids, solve the problems rather than shunt them to the side out of view.