Bert Jan wrote: Yeah... it's strange that we in Europe will change our clocks a few weeks later.. meaning that I will have to constantly think about what time it is in US places which I normally used to know right away.... awww..confused...
so thats what you're doing when ur in bed? dreaming what time it is in USA?
"mmmmmmmh, it's now 8 PM in USA... cool"
Well I am involved in more than Metallica forums where it doesnt matter what time it is when u post, for example one of the biggest online game tournaments, and to stay in contact with people it is always usefull to know what time it is at their places....
U probably have got my wrong. It's not that I am constantly thinking about US times. I said that I normally dont have to think about it.. and with these strange day light savings times I do...
You Don't have to buddy! There's timezone converters all over the internet.
Haha, I know that But still
Actually.. has it always been like this? That US will change the clock a few weeks before Europe does? Or is this new? I cant remember anything about it...
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Well I think the US started and Canada of course had to follow....it only makes sense because supposedly of business and all that. Usually I'm at work for the fall hour back thing, there's nothing like starting your work day at 7:10 and then workng an hour and they move the clock back to 7:10. So a 13 hour and 20 minute shift...fun on night shift. I think some provinces in Canada don't use daylight savings time?
Duane wrote:Well I think the US started and Canada of course had to follow....it only makes sense because supposedly of business and all that. Usually I'm at work for the fall hour back thing, there's nothing like starting your work day at 7:10 and then workng an hour and they move the clock back to 7:10. So a 13 hour and 20 minute shift...fun on night shift. I think some provinces in Canada don't use daylight savings time?
I'm with you on that one, I work overnights also, I really hated setting the clock back and working that extra hour.
I believe it's supposed to save energy here because daylight will last much later into the evening, so we'll have less light usage at the very least.
I just think the whole thing is stupid to be quite honest.
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I guess I don't really care - it either happens now or it happens in a few weeks. I didn't mind the hour loss last night, it just meant I was out partying until 3am instead of 2am My computer actually updated the time on its own, but I'm afraid my alarm clock is going to change come the old date (because it has an internal calendar with DST programmed in) and will screw my morning up.
I actually like the longer days, it makes it seem closer to summer!
Duane wrote:Well I think the US started and Canada of course had to follow....it only makes sense because supposedly of business and all that. Usually I'm at work for the fall hour back thing, there's nothing like starting your work day at 7:10 and then workng an hour and they move the clock back to 7:10. So a 13 hour and 20 minute shift...fun on night shift. I think some provinces in Canada don't use daylight savings time?
Saskatoon doesn't and Ontario does, thats about all I know
In Canada, time is under provincial and territorial jurisdiction, not federal. The governments of Ontario, Manitoba, Quebec, Prince Edward Island, New Brunswick, Alberta, the Northwest Territories, British Columbia, Nova Scotia and Yukon Territory have so far pledged to change their DST rules to match the new U.S. rules. Newfoundland and Labrador has since also adopted legislation to implement the change.[10] In 2007, their DST will start on the second Sunday in March, and return to standard time on the first Sunday in November. Nunavut will continue to change time on the first Sunday in April and last Sunday in October unless it changes its legislation. As noted below, Saskatchewan does not recognize DST.
Saskatchewan
The province of Saskatchewan is the largest part of the country that does not observe DST. Saskatchewan is bisected by the 105° West meridian, the central meridian of the Mountain Standard Time Zone (UTC-7), yet clocks are kept at UTC-6 all year long. (This policy was implemented when the Saskatchewan Time Act was passed in 1966, to solve the problems that arose when time zones varied from town to town.) Saskatchewan is always on Central Standard Time. In the summer months, this matches adjacent areas that are on Mountain Daylight Time to the west and south, and in the winter months, it matches areas that are on Central Standard Time to the east. Officially, the province is considered to be part of the Central time zone.
The charter of the city of Lloydminster, which is bisected by the Saskatchewan–Alberta boundary, gives it a special exception among areas in Saskatchewan to use DST. Lloydminster and its immediately surrounding region in Saskatchewan use the same timekeeping routine used by Alberta: DST with Mountain Standard Time.[11] Local custom in Denare Beach and Creighton, SK, is to observe DST, thereby keeping the same time as nearby Manitoba communities.
Quebec
The eastern reaches of Quebec's North Shore, east of 63° West longitude, are in the Atlantic Time Zone, but do not observe DST (see exception, below). The effect is that in summer, their clocks match those of the rest of the province, which observes Eastern Daylight Time. In October, their clocks are rejoined by their Atlantic Standard Time neighbors. Although places east of 63° West are officially on Atlantic Time, local custom is to use Eastern Time as far east as the Natashquan River. Those communities observe DST, including all of Anticosti Island, which is bisected by the 63rd meridian.
British Columbia
Most of British Columbia observes DST, but there is a large tract in east-central BC in the Mountain Time Zone that does not (most of BC is on Pacific Time). This includes Fort St. John, Charlie Lake, Taylor and Dawson Creek. The Crowsnest corridor between Creston and Yahk in the East Kootenays (southeastern BC) also keeps standard time year-round.
Nunavut
While the rest of Nunavut observes DST, Southampton Island including Coral Harbour remain on Eastern Standard Time throughout the year.
Ontario
Most of Ontario uses DST with a few exceptions. Secluded in the heart of northwestern Ontario, Pickle Lake and New Osnaburgh have no use for DST. To the south, Atikokan also ignores it, using Eastern Standard Time year-round, effectively adopting Central Daylight Time in summer. Southern Ontario including Toronto, however, does observe DST. The power utilities of Ontario also do not use DST.
In an effort to conserve resources for the efforts of World War I, Congress approved a law that altered each U. S. time zone's standard time by moving clocks ahead by one hour. The plan, known as Daylight Saving Time (DST) lasted only seven months and was very unpopular because most Americans at that time awoke earlier and went to bed later than we do now. The law was eventually repealed.
In the early stages of World War II, Congress decided to return the country to Daylight Saving Time in order to conserve energy. During this period, the United States observed DST continuously from February 2, 1942 until September 30, 1945.
Following the war, states and municipalities were allowed to observe DST at their discretion. This created a great deal of confusion for the broadcasting industry and for many transportation companies because DST was not observed uniformly. Therefore, Congress enacted the Uniform Time Act in 1966. The law simply states that if DST is going to be observed, it must be done in a uniform manner. The Act established the beginning of DST as the last Sunday in April and the end of DST as the last Sunday of October. In 1986, an amendment (Public Law 99-359) to the Act changed the beginning date to the first Sunday in April.
States may choose whether or not they will observe DST. States and territories who do not observe DST include Arizona, Hawaii, the Eastern Time Zone section of Indiana, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands.
Changes in 2007
Previously DST began on the first Sunday in April, and ended on the last Sunday of October. Beginning this year, though, it will start on the second Sunday in March (March 11, 2007), and will changes back to standard time on the first Sunday in November (November 4, 2007).
The idea behind the Energy Policy Act, enacted by the U.S. Congress signed into law by Pres. Bush in 2005, is to save energy.
Saving daylight was first mentioned in 1784 by Benjamin Franklin in a humorous letter[2] urging Parisians to save money by getting up earlier to use morning sunlight, thereby burning fewer candles in the evening. Franklin did not mention daylight saving time—he did not propose that clock time be changed. His letter was in the spirit of his earlier proverb "Early to bed and early to rise / Makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise."[3]
DST was first proposed in 1907 by William Willett.[4] An avid golfer, he disliked cutting short his round at dusk. The proposal attracted many eminent supporters, including Balfour, Churchill, Lloyd George, and MacDonald. Edward VII also favored DST and had already been using it at Sandringham. However, Prime Minister Asquith opposed the proposal and after many hearings it was narrowly defeated in a Parliament committee vote in 1909. Willett's allies introduced new DST bills every year from 1911 through 1914, to no avail.
DST was first enacted by a national government by Germany during World War I, starting April 30, 1916. The United Kingdom soon followed suit, first observing it on May 21, 1916. On June 17, 1917, Newfoundland became the first North American jurisdiction to adopt DST with the Daylight Saving Act of 1917. On March 19, 1918, the U.S. Congress established DST from the last Sunday in March to the last Sunday in October. The wartime measure, however, proved unpopular among farmers, and Congress repealed it in 1919. Woodrow Wilson, another avid golfer, vetoed the repeal twice but his second veto was overridden.
Benefits and drawbacks
Willett's 1907 proposal argued that DST increases opportunities for outdoor leisure activities during afternoon sunlight hours. Obviously DST does not change the length of the day, but days nearer the summer solstice are longer and offer more opportunity to shift apparent daylight from morning to evening so that early morning daylight is not wasted. Similar motivations remain to this day.
However, many people ignore DST by altering their nominal work schedules to coordinate with daylight, TV broadcasts, or remote colleagues.[5] Also, DST is commonly not observed during winter, because its mornings are darker: workers may have no sunlit leisure time, and children may need to leave for school in the dark.[6]
Energy conservation
Energy conservation has often been used to justify DST. Artificially delaying sunrise and sunset tends to increase electricity usage in the morning and reduce it in the evening. Savings occur if the evening reduction outweighs the morning increase. A U.S. Dept. of Transportation (DOT) study concluded in 1975 that DST might reduce the country's electricity usage by 1% during March and April.[7] A study after Mexico reintroduced DST in 1996 estimated a reduction of national electricity consumption by 0.7% and of peak load by 500 MW.[8]
Critics argue that the energy savings of DST are overstated, and that DST can sometimes increase energy consumption and peak demand. Also, the rise of air conditioning calls older energy models into question. In 2000 when parts of Australia began DST in late winter, overall electricity consumption did not decrease, but the morning peak load increased.[9] Currently there is no clear evidence that electricity will be saved by the 2007 U.S. rule change.[10].
Economic effects
Golf courses, convenience stores, and other businesses benefit from extra afternoon sunlight. In the mid-1980s Clorox (parent of Kingsford Charcoal) and 7-Eleven, which both benefit from DST, provided the primary funding for the Daylight Saving Time Coalition that successfully lobbied to extend U.S. DST, and both Idaho senators voted to extend DST on the basis of fast-food restaurants selling more French fries made from Idaho potatoes.[11]
DST can adversely affect farmers and others whose hours are set by the sun. For example, grain harvesting is best done after dew evaporates, so when field hands arrive and leave earlier in summer their labor is less valuable.
Clock shifts disrupt sleep patterns, and correlate with decreased economic efficiency. Researchers estimated in 2000 that the daylight saving effect implies a one day loss of $31 billion on the NYSE, AMEX, and NASDAQ alone.[12]
Traffic fatalities
The above-mentioned 1975 DOT study also identified a 0.7% reduction in traffic fatalities during DST. Other studies have found similar reductions, particularly in crashes fatal to pedestrians.[13][14]
U.S. clock shifts correlate with significant increases in fatal accidents the day after the spring shift and the day of the autumn shift, with the larger increase in autumn.[15] However, this twice-yearly effect is far smaller than the overall reduction in fatalities.
Crime
In the 1970s the U.S. Law Enforcement Assistance Administration (LEAA) found a reduction of 10% to 13% in Washington, D.C.'s violent crime rate during DST. However, the LEAA did not filter out other factors, and it examined only two cities and found crime reductions only in one and only in some crime categories; the DOT decided it was "impossible to conclude with any confidence that comparable benefits would be found nationwide."[16] Studies of outdoor lighting indicate that while it makes potential crime victims feel safer, it may actually encourage crime.[17]
But still 
