Massacre At Virginia Tech

[Churchchair]

To Desert_rat: That you are actually really putting some sort of blame on Cristophe because of this happening... I mean, are you serious? You better fucking not be. Avatars doesn't make people in their right mind able to kill people.

Calm down boys it's just an avatar (From the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre (How ironic)).
THIS IS A METAL BOARD Everyone here has the album Kill 'em all right? Do we have to change some Metallica song titles too?

Bloody avatars, violent computer games, listening to heavy metal can't be the reason for killing people.
I don't change my opinion: it's also the fault of the government. The gun and weapon industrie have a big influence to the government.

Maybe it's a silly West-European thinky thinky but I don't think it's normal to have a gun in my home.

RIP to the 32 killed men and women.

Link: the shop where the killer bought his gun
Link: virginia-tech-victims-list-and-their-myspace-pages

[wolfway]

i don't care if you think my opinion is lame, but me too i'm of the opinion that the gun law in USA is redicilous

my mum talked to an old friend of her who now lives in USA. he told her that people can drive a car from the age of 15, i mean wtf? i also know you can buy weapons from the age of 18. but you can only buy alcohol from the age of 21? sorry, but how STUPID is that?

i don't understand why all these people need guns. personally i'm scared of them. i like shooting a rifle when the fair is in town, or toy guns perhaps. but real guns scare me... i wouldn't feel safe if i knew i was in a room with somebody carrying a gun.

the government does have to do with the law about this. both republics and democrats are being supported by gun industries for the new elections... so none of the candidates will ever try to raise the age limit of guns... thats why i hate politics, when it comes to the point they're only out to get votes, but don't really tell what's REALLY on their minds...

i also don't think video games should be taken responsible for this. you already have to be a sick mind to take them for real... i mean, everytime i walk out the door, the need to punch somebody in the face is just incredible for me, after playing GTA . i can't believe people buying guns aren't being checked on their mental status or if they're agressive...

sorry outlawtorn, but even after reading your posts, i still think the USA gun law stinks... nothing will change that (unless they accualy change the law...)
and i also don't see what you talk about woman discrimination... never saw that in this thread

[OutlawTorn81]

i don't care if you think my opinion is lame, but me too i'm of the opinion that the gun law in USA is redicilous

my mum talked to an old friend of her who now lives in USA. he told her that people can drive a car from the age of 15, i mean wtf? i also know you can buy weapons from the age of 18. but you can only buy alcohol from the age of 21? sorry, but how STUPID is that?

i don't understand why all these people need guns. personally i'm scared of them. i like shooting a rifle when the fair is in town, or toy guns perhaps. but real guns scare me... i wouldn't feel safe if i knew i was in a room with somebody carrying a gun.

the government does have to do with the law about this. both republics and democrats are being supported by gun industries for the new elections... so none of the candidates will ever try to raise the age limit of guns... thats why i hate politics, when it comes to the point they're only out to get votes, but don't really tell what's REALLY on their minds...

i also don't think video games should be taken responsible for this. you already have to be a sick mind to take them for real... i mean, everytime i walk out the door, the need to punch somebody in the face is just incredible for me, after playing GTA . i can't believe people buying guns aren't being checked on their mental status or if they're agressive...

sorry outlawtorn, but even after reading your posts, i still think the USA gun law stinks... nothing will change that (unless they accualy change the law...)
and i also don't see what you talk about woman discrimination... never saw that in this thread

You're certainly entitled to think what you like about the US gun laws. Not being an American myself, I have no personal stake in defending them, and I'm not exactly up-to-date on what the laws in each individual state are. As for the video game stuff, read what I said again: it wasn't a blanket statement, it was one that was carefully qualified to limit it to a small number of people who are already unbalanced. In principle, we're not wholly disagreeing with one another when it comes to the role of violent video games. A person who is already somewhat sociopathic may have their hatred for humanity enhanced and their inhibitions about inflicting violence against actual human beings limited by their heavy consumption of violent imagery. Not all people, not necessarily you, not necessarily the guy down the street with a twitch in his eye, but clearly some people are heavily influenced and further warped by their consumption of stylized violence.
As for the misogyny, take a look at Bob Garage's original post. Given how poorly it's written, one can easily infer that he was making a gender-based slur against the female White House Press Secretary and wishing violence upon her. That's gender discrimination, plain and simple. He may raise the claim that he was talking about Bush, but that makes the use of that word and the desire for murderous violence no less repugnant, even in the absence of the misogyny that is readily apparent from the original post.

[aeiseleusa]

I was also under the opinion that this is more common in the US. I used to live in the US for the past 9 years and have never been close to a murder. I visited my home country and my home metal club and guess what a lunatic husband kills his wife 15 feet away from me with a gun. Until then I also thought the gun laws in the US make all this possible. It maybe makes it easier. But it can happen anywhere !! Again I ask what do you guys really think is the reason ?!?!?! We will never be able to find out !! A video game, a song , a avatar !! Come on, that does not make you become a killer. And blaming the parents ?? Gee what if the parents of this individual are caring loving people ?? We do not know !!
To speculate about all this in my opinion is pointless !! To really know the answer you would have to ask the guy who did it, but he made sure we will never be able to find out !!! Let all the souls be able to find peace !!
I really honestly do not want to piss someone off or anger anyone, but why is it that in our current world there is always something or someone to blame besides the person who actually did the crime ?????????????????????????????????????

May be he just had a small penis or a crooked nose and that whas the reason for his insane actions !!!!

[desert_rat]

To Desert_rat: That you are actually really putting some sort of blame on Cristophe because of this happening... I mean, are you serious? You better fucking not be. Avatars doesn't make people in their right mind able to kill people.

Calm down boys it's just an avatar (From the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre (How ironic)).
THIS IS A METAL BOARD Eveyone here has the album Kill 'em all right? Do we have to change some Metallica song titles too?

Bloody avatars, violent computer games, listening to heavy metal can't be the reason for killing people.
I don't change my opinion: it's also the fault of the government. The gun and weapon industrie have a big influence to the government.

Maybe it's a silly West-European thinky thinky but I don't think it's normal to have a gun in my home.

RIP to the 32 killed men and women.

Link: the shop where the killer bought his gun
Link: virginia-tech-victims-list-and-their-myspace-pages

What I was trying to say that blaming the gov't and only the gov't is missing the bigger picture. The glorification of violence, poor parenting, screw's loose in the guy's head are all contributing factors. What should be the focus is to try and catch these nut cases before it's too late. Repealing the second admendment would not have stopped this guy from killing people.

[Bert Jan]

To Desert_rat: That you are actually really putting some sort of blame on Cristophe because of this happening... I mean, are you serious? You better fucking not be. Avatars doesn't make people in their right mind able to kill people.

Calm down boys it's just an avatar (From the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre (How ironic)).
THIS IS A METAL BOARD Eveyone here has the album Kill 'em all right? Do we have to change some Metallica song titles too?

Bloody avatars, violent computer games, listening to heavy metal can't be the reason for killing people.
I don't change my opinion: it's also the fault of the government. The gun and weapon industrie have a big influence to the government.

Maybe it's a silly West-European thinky thinky but I don't think it's normal to have a gun in my home.

RIP to the 32 killed men and women.

Link: the shop where the killer bought his gun
Link: virginia-tech-victims-list-and-their-myspace-pages

What I was trying to say that blaming the gov't and only the gov't is missing the bigger picture. The glorification of violence, poor parenting, screw's loose in the guy's head are all contributing factors. What should be the focus is to try and catch these nut cases before it's too late. Repealing the second admendment would not have stopped this guy from killing people.

I totally agree with you!
Only you know how to put it into words Thanks

[OutlawTorn81]

I was also under the opinion that this is more common in the US. I used to live in the US for the past 9 years and have never been close to a murder. I visited my home country and my home metal club and guess what a lunatic husband kills his wife 15 feet away from me with a gun. Until then I also thought the gun laws in the US make all this possible. It maybe makes it easier. But it can happen anywhere !! Again I ask what do you guys really think is the reason ?!?!?! We will never be able to find out !! A video game, a song , a avatar !! Come on, that does not make you become a killer. And blaming the parents ?? Gee what if the parents of this individual are caring loving people ?? We do not know !!
To speculate about all this in my opinion is pointless !! To really know the answer you would have to ask the guy who did it, but he made sure we will never be able to find out !!! Let all the souls be able to find peace !!
I really honestly do not want to piss someone off or anger anyone, but why is it that in our current world there is always something or someone to blame besides the person who actually did the crime ?????????????????????????????????????

May be he just had a small penis or a crooked nose and that whas the reason for his insane actions !!!!

Apparently he was, in part, motivated by the desire to get revenge on the woman who dumped him. He went looking first for her and her new boyfriend. If this is true, it is a crime motivated by a hatred for women and a desire to demonstrate to women that *he* still has his own ways of reacquiring his power over them.
I've also seen that there is a paper in the UK that posts a picture of his ex-girlfriend with a headline that says she was his 'inspiration' or some such nonsense. It makes him invisible and shifts the blame for her because she didn't want to be around him anymore.

Obviously there's still a lot we don't know about this case, but the concept that this is a revenge killing + general hatred is surely a chilling one.

[Luís]

Although I think OutlawTorn has some reasonable points, I think he is exaggerating in some stuff: it's not a crime motivated by a hatred for women. If he was gay and killed his new boyfriend, was it a crime motivated by hatred of what? If he had a dispute with a guy who happened to be black was it a racial crime? And if he had a dispute with a fellow South Korean? It would be just a "regular" crime...

Anyway, a tear came out of my eye while watching the memorial service. I'm so far away from that really so many many miles away and still... I have a problem with young people dying...

[Kat]

Well, as some people here already stated, this guy having lived in another country would have perhaps not stopped him from doing something incredibly stupid, but if he did not live in the USA he would definitely have had a harder time to find a gun and shoot that many people... Everybody has a right to have an opinion, no matter if I like it or not, and mine is that the US gun laws are more than just ridiculous. NOBODY needs to own a gun to protect his house and life, even less if he does not have to be afraid that every lunatic out there owns one too...

'But being a woman and seeing how much you, OutlawTorn, fight against misogyny (a fight you have my deepest respect for), I have to say something about Bob Garage's post: Yes, he used the word "cunt"... but I am pretty sure he really only used it in the "just another swear word" meaning and he was refering to Bush... I don't feel defensive in any way if someone uses swear words like that, I rather use them myself when being pissed off enough. Maybe I am just not the leveling rule here, but that's something I felt the need to say

[Leighton]

I really have little sympathy at all for the people outside of the college campus itself. Why should I care when they obviously hold more cred in a 230 year old sentence than people's lives? To be honest, there's really little point in giving a shit.

Doin, didn't an Asian studen kill a few people at Monash a few years back. If I remember correctly a professor tackled him before he could too much damage. That may have been pre-Port Aurthur. I give Howard a lot of credit for his handling of that period. Would've been better if he was pro-active rather than re-active, but at least there hasn't been anything like it since.

EDIT: after having a read of Cho's plays, it looks like he had massive problems with his parents.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... tech1.html