The Nft/hoarding/rare Shows Bitching Thread

[MetDream]

I think it's a huge task to make this work and maybe this community is not ready for it, or not right for it. Trust within the members seems to be a huge issue.

yes trust is deffinately the main reason why i do not want to participate in it, if you cannot trust anyone then this would go nowhere no matter if i have shows to offer or not, i have a problem trusting people and when i do manage to trust someone it seems like they want to put a knife in my back which is sad.

this particular community is deffinately not ready for something like this unfortunately thats the hard truth no offence to the community but most people just cannot handle it. without some sort of arguing or fighting to occur..

Cj

Do you realize just how arrogant, rude and paranoid that post sounds? I don't know all what goes on with you and the members here, but I do know that alot of what you bitch about, you have brought on yourself... by name dropping, talking about shows that you will never release, releasing or talking about shows that you know others don't want released, posting stuff and then deleting it or asking the staff to get rid of entire threads when people don't agree with you etc. etc. A lot of the fighting could be stopped by not giving a fuck about what others say and by using that nice handy little feature in our forums called IGNORE. If you would only ignore certain members that you have continued issues with you wouldn't even see what they write and a ton of the fighting would stop.

I like you cj, alot. I consider myself you friend, epically since we kept in contact most of the time you were gone on your break. But posts like this just make me crazy. It seems to me that there has been a lot of "handling it" here today that there has been some.

Please read porcelmc's posts on the last couple pages, they are some of the most sensible things that have been said in this thread.

Thanks.

[Sepu]

maybe we can open a "HM" group, "Hoarding members"

I can't understand this bullshit around the RM group, it seems someone can just think that a good member is who release something for the others.
NO, THAT ISN'T ENOUGH, SORRY.

Anyway, I think this idea of a rare group it's just a waste of time, keep this thing out from here please.
If someone would like to help the community releasing his stuff to everyone, that will be a nice thing that everyone will appreciate, if not, he can keep his stuff and close his mouth, so nobody will say shit against him.

Life isn't just collecting DVDs.

Regards
Chris

[Fadingtoblack]

I can't wait till some of you guys get invited to the RM group, and find out that all it is:

-one extra place to post, which are mostly just some discussions of a more personal nature when people need help
-A chance to participate in shorter Vines as there are less members there
-and a chance to help test new versions and features before they appear on the main site.


Seriously, my reaction to all this paranoia is just --->


All it is is a little title that shows that the staff and your peers consider you a valued member of the site. It used to be something you'd look forward to getting, just a little pat on the back for being a good bloke, (or chick, and notice I don't mention releasing shows ).
Now it seems a few people are convinced we all go in there and plot the downfall of everyone we don't like, which is everyone, and toast each other on how superior we all are 'cos our username shows up a different colour.


Get a grip, and I don't want to see any more about this here.

[Fadingtoblack]

Now, about this Rare trade group, it seems like a good idea on paper, but I feel it's about restricting who gets what, which I feel goes a little against the spirit of Metpage which was always about a free for all.


Here's what we've got, would you like to have it too?


While also providing a safe environment for classic trading of course.


That's why I feel it would be hard to get this off the ground here

[MetDream]

Well said and I agree... and why I said that it wouldn't ever really happen here on metpage. You've summed it up very nicely fade.

I can't wait till some of you guys get invited to the RM group, and find out that all it is:

-one extra place to post, which are mostly just some discussions of a more personal nature when people need help
-A chance to participate in shorter Vines as there are less members there
-and a chance to help test new versions and features before they appear on the main site.

The RM lounge is the most boring part of the whole damn forums!

[Poolzer]

I find it hard to take an RM thing seriously when I look around and I see that the guys who are actually putting new authored beautiful shows out there arent the ones with the RM status. I can name a few people, including myself here.

Because as the pre-req's state, authoring a show doesn't have anything to do with being a respected member. The process is pretty simple though, an RM just has to nominate you, so if someone here feels you have done an outstanding job for the community (posting outside of the trading area, setting up trades for new members, helping new members, contributing to the site (non monetarily) are just a few of the areas that are considered) they put your name down and are discussed amongst all Rms and staffers. Its not a popularity contest because all RM's get a say and vote and our RM's are pretty diverse, as is the staff team.

Its not a cool kids club, its showing how members of the community act as a whole. Majority of the members have been around the site for over 2 years and done many of the things stated above. Those that simply auth shows get their support shown by people sharing those shows and giving kudos. Stick around the site and post throughout it and I can all but promise on of the RMs WILL notice and nominate you.

[Cjlcooter]

I think it's a huge task to make this work and maybe this community is not ready for it, or not right for it. Trust within the members seems to be a huge issue.

yes trust is deffinately the main reason why i do not want to participate in it, if you cannot trust anyone then this would go nowhere no matter if i have shows to offer or not, i have a problem trusting people and when i do manage to trust someone it seems like they want to put a knife in my back which is sad.

this particular community is deffinately not ready for something like this unfortunately thats the hard truth no offence to the community but most people just cannot handle it. without some sort of arguing or fighting to occur..

Cj

Do you realize just how arrogant, rude and paranoid that post sounds? I don't know all what goes on with you and the members here, but I do know that alot of what you bitch about, you have brought on yourself... by name dropping, talking about shows that you will never release, releasing or talking about shows that you know others don't want released, posting stuff and then deleting it or asking the staff to get rid of entire threads when people don't agree with you etc. etc. A lot of the fighting could be stopped by not giving a fuck about what others say and by using that nice handy little feature in our forums called IGNORE. If you would only ignore certain members that you have continued issues with you wouldn't even see what they write and a ton of the fighting would stop.

I like you cj, alot. I consider myself you friend, epically since we kept in contact most of the time you were gone on your break. But posts like this just make me crazy. It seems to me that there has been a lot of "handling it" here today that there has been some.

Please read porcelmc's posts on the last couple pages, they are some of the most sensible things that have been said in this thread.

Thanks.

i do not think my post makes me sound arrogant, rude, or even paranoid, i was just stating there is alot of trust problems in the metallica community i have been burned several times by people i have thought i could trust. you might not understand all this until you have been screwed over or fucked over by people who you thought were your friends.

please enlighten me on on what shows i have said i would never release?.. i have never talked about never releasing something, i have talked alot about stuff that could come out from me if other people let some stuff out that i personally seek along with many others.

yes i have talked about shows that others do not want released but that is only because i am trying to get them out there (for friends who want the shows to come out) especially if the shows are older 83-89 in audience or proshot shows from alot of different years.

yes i can also admit to posting about shows i have then editing or deleting my posts or even asking staff to remove the stuff i cannot personally delete myself. when you recieve PM's and someone or some people ask you to remove any refference in all the posts in the thread refer to them i respect the persons wishes and then i delete or edit my posts or ask the staff to delete them, i can admit openly to that i do it because i am asked to do it.

i also don't really consider me talking in some of these threads as fighting with anyone i just see it as me giving my personal input on shows i know about. some of what i say can create disputes or arguments, but alot of what people say can also create the same type of disputes, you make it sound like i am the problem here, when someone posts about something or doubts about something i might have or do not have i feel obligated to show them proof i have it just to shut them up not to dangle it in there faces no matter what it might seem like i would like to see alot of people let out alot of things, but i don't need to be critisized about anything i might have or let out in the future there is a real trust issue here and i am sure some others will agree with me on that.

i also have read everything and i understand everything everyone is saying all i can say is i will try to avoid confrontations from now on with select people as i see it gets the staff and admins all worked up, i mean well but often times it might not seem like it. i can admit i need to work on alot of things i never once claimed to be perfect or know it all but some people seem to think i do.

if you and the rest of the staff think that i am the main problem i guess the only thing to do is to get rid of the problem then meaning me i don't think i am the main problem though although many might see that i am a magnet for trouble no matter what the topic is about.

all i can do is try to work on it but i am not going to sit and argue or bicker back and forth in this thread with you or any of the other staff or admins, i felt you were a little harsh with your wording in the beginning of your post all i was doing was stating the obvious the community is not ready nor can most of the people handle alot of this rare discussion as you can see why in previous postings and other peoples comments.

Cj

[Greystoke]

Can this topic be locked?

I can already see some posts being deleted in a day or two, and it will be the third time, if I'm not wrong. There's no point in leaving a topic opened if every time a discussion starts, it's deleted.

[St_Metal]

There has to be very valid and good reasons given for the RMs to vote "no" or we (the staff) will not consider the "no" vote when deciding to promote someone. All the voting is based on the criteria as described in our rules not on popularity.

Sorry but there is enough people that made more effort than 25-30% of the RM's nowadays and those are still given a shit for what they do. I released a couple of shows (Kansas 94, Oklahoma 94 upgrade, Munich 96 1st gen, Uniondale 19-12-1991 and also a lot of upgrades like Stockholm 15-11-1996, Munich 92 etc) and put a lot of effort into the community for like 2 years and now I given up. (I know I've even been on the voting at least twice) Only mod's and admin's friends become RM. And then people come up and say "we have a RM special vine for that and that show"...

[Kat]

Seeeed iiiiiit

Or at least trade.

Or at least say please and thank you, or do you all think the internet is a place this is not needed anymore?

Hi this may really sound off-topic, but I want to say something to Ron.
Hi mate, I really appreciate your meticulous work you've done on the videos etc. so far.
But I think that your smiling face avatar just doesn't suit menus, you know.
I always love your menus, but that smiling face spoils the view very much. What do others think?

Never want to mean offensive, I just want to help you criticizing.

What a cheek this is! If I were Ron, I would tell you and the rest to fuck off... He released some of the best shows out there and people bitch at his menus? Are you out of your mind now? Don't look at the smiley if you don't like it, but it is Ron's personal avatar and he has every right to put this or whatever he likes best on his menu... Whatever you think about it, keep it to yourself and just be thankful Ron is still releasing shows...

Sorry but there is enough people that made more effort than 25-30% of the RM's nowadays and those are still given a shit for what they do. I released a couple of shows (Kansas 94, Oklahoma 94 upgrade, Munich 96 1st gen, Uniondale 19-12-1991 and also a lot of upgrades like Stockholm 15-11-1996, Munich 92 etc) and put a lot of effort into the community for like 2 years and now I given up. (I know I've even been on the voting at least twice) Only mod's and admin's friends become RM. And then people come up and say "we have a RM special vine for that and that show"...

Sorry Maxi, but did you read anything Paul and others stated here? The RM status is almost NOTHING about releasing shows, it is about the overall behaviour and contribution to the whole community. If you know you have been nominated at least twice, but have not been promoted yet, the majority of the RMs must have felt the time not being right yet, simple as that. And the whole "only admin's and mod's friends..." thing is utter bollocks, there are a lot of people out there that are friends with admins and/or mods and are no RMs yet... So stop bitching please.

i do not think my post makes me sound arrogant, rude, or even paranoid, i was just stating there is alot of trust problems in the metallica community i have been burned several times by people i have thought i could trust. you might not understand all this until you have been screwed over or fucked over by people who you thought were your friends.

please enlighten me on on what shows i have said i would never release?.. i have never talked about never releasing something, i have talked alot about stuff that could come out from me if other people let some stuff out that i personally seek along with many others.

yes i have talked about shows that others do not want released but that is only because i am trying to get them out there (for friends who want the shows to come out) especially if the shows are older 83-89 in audience or proshot shows from alot of different years.

yes i can also admit to posting about shows i have then editing or deleting my posts or even asking staff to remove the stuff i cannot personally delete myself. when you recieve PM's and someone or some people ask you to remove any refference in all the posts in the thread refer to them i respect the persons wishes and then i delete or edit my posts or ask the staff to delete them, i can admit openly to that i do it because i am asked to do it.

i also don't really consider me talking in some of these threads as fighting with anyone i just see it as me giving my personal input on shows i know about. some of what i say can create disputes or arguments, but alot of what people say can also create the same type of disputes, you make it sound like i am the problem here, when someone posts about something or doubts about something i might have or do not have i feel obligated to show them proof i have it just to shut them up not to dangle it in there faces no matter what it might seem like i would like to see alot of people let out alot of things, but i don't need to be critisized about anything i might have or let out in the future there is a real trust issue here and i am sure some others will agree with me on that.

i also have read everything and i understand everything everyone is saying all i can say is i will try to avoid confrontations from now on with select people as i see it gets the staff and admins all worked up, i mean well but often times it might not seem like it. i can admit i need to work on alot of things i never once claimed to be perfect or know it all but some people seem to think i do.

if you and the rest of the staff think that i am the main problem i guess the only thing to do is to get rid of the problem then meaning me i don't think i am the main problem though although many might see that i am a magnet for trouble no matter what the topic is about.

all i can do is try to work on it but i am not going to sit and argue or bicker back and forth in this thread with you or any of the other staff or admins, i felt you were a little harsh with your wording in the beginning of your post all i was doing was stating the obvious the community is not ready nor can most of the people handle alot of this rare discussion as you can see why in previous postings and other peoples comments.

Cj

cj, I don't know you personally, we have never had a single direct communication and I don't like to offend people I don't even know, but I have to throw in my 2 cents finally: FUCKING STOP BEING SUCH A DRAMA QUEEN!

All this "I have been screwed over so many times", "people are backstabbing" and "everyone wants to screw me over" is so damn annonying, and believe me, it is not only me feeling like that. Don't you think the world might NOT consider you as the center of the universe and people have better things to do than thinking of a way to screw you over? Hell, this is a forum, the internet, not the fucking real world. How can anything people here do and say really hurt you or even have the slightest impact on your life? Sure, I myself consider some people I met here really good and close friends by now, but this is something that takes place outside the forum itself and has nothing to do with shows or Metallica anymore. And yes, if those people would screw me over, it would hurt... but here? With shows? Some footage on tape or DVD? Fuck that... it is worth fucking NOTHING at the end of the day, or does it pay your rent? But maybe you really need this to boost your ego, to make you feel better if you are the guy that maybe has something everyone wants and you get your c**k sucked as a thank you, I don't know... If someone screwed you over with a show, you simply made the wrong decision, get over it finally. Once again, nothing but a show.

Yes, your posts come across as arrogant. You are constantly talking about shows you want to make free for all, in a way that make people think you have them and only want to taunt. Don't be surprised if you get bitched at for that. It is nice you do not consider your input and behaviour as starting a fight, but seeing almost every thread you are participating in ends in fighting, bitching and the thread being closed to not cause further trouble, there must be something majorly wrong with your behaviour. If you have problems with most people, chances are the problem is NOT the rest of the world, but you... Back to the Drama Queen thing: How shocked would you be if someone (and trust me, it is not only staff you piss off) finally took your word for granted and said "ok then, you are a problem, go!"? It happened to people before, so don't exaggerate this, it might backfire one day. Also, you might want to start thinking before you make a post, would save you and the staff a lot of editing and deleting.

And last but not least: Who the fuck are you to decide the community is not ready for a discussion about rare shows or whatever? How cheeky is this? What gives you the right to judge, are you better than anyone just because you released some damn old show? Please enlighten me, oh master and I might bow to thee