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Re: The Nft/hoarding/rare Shows Bitching Thread

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Sabkisscrue wrote: Its Cjlcooter and whoever his source is that don't want these so called unreleased shows traded. Filmers in general don't care.
here is example for you so you can comprehend what it means.

let's just say hans has a show that is NFT & unreleased well he says to you the only way for you to get this show is not to trade it out or talk about having it.

now that you understand that let's go further you seem to think it is ok to fuck over your friend hans. back stab him, betray him, & throw him under the bus and trade this show out against his permission i will tell you no this is not ok why don't you sit back and think about the reasons why it is not ok.

when you say that my contact is a dick he reads these boards so whatever you or anyone says bad about them he reads. (you basically said it above in previous posts that is is ok to fuck over a friend or contact just to make a few people happy) well once again you are wrong, and as far as who it is who told me what they told me or asked of me is really none of your business you don't know if it is a filmer who told me to respect there wishes or lar's ulrich himself i think you should really learn to accept it don't question it just abide by it.
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Re: The Nft/hoarding/rare Shows Bitching Thread

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Frantic Canadian wrote: Well then I don't see the reasoning behind it. If the filmer is cool with letting his privately shot bootleg out then why should anyone else who gets a copy refuse to trade it? I mean it's not like they're giving up their own copy.
I think a lot of that NFT stuff comes from the people who aquire shows from the filmer. Most filmers who sell someone a show and lets face it, thats how most shows get
out there in the first place, they are sold couldn't care if someone is trading it.
Cjlcooter wrote:
Sabkisscrue wrote: Its Cjlcooter and whoever his source is that don't want these so called unreleased shows traded. Filmers in general don't care.
here is example for you so you can comprehend what it means.

let's just say hans has a show that is NFT & unreleased well he says to you the only way for you to get this show is not to trade it out or talk about having it.

now that you understand that let's go further you seem to think it is ok to fuck over your friend hans. back stab him, betray him, & throw him under the bus and trade this show out against his permission i will tell you no this is not ok why don't you sit back and think about the reasons why it is not ok.

when you say that my contact is a dick he reads these boards so whatever you or anyone says bad about them he reads. (you basically said it above in previous posts that is is ok to fuck over a friend or contact just to make a few people happy) well once again you are wrong, and as far as who it is who told me what they told me or asked of me is really none of your business you don't know if it is a filmer who told me to respect there wishes or lar's ulrich himself i think you should really learn to accept it don't question it just abide by it.
Since Hans is reading this. Hey!
Again, you are assuming things that I havent said which is weird.
I would never backstab someone. I've dealt with a lot of filmers
and aquired shows not just by Metallica
and i've never been told that I couldn't trade something.
Most filmers couldn't care whether its traded or not.
Some people think its the filmers themselves that are hoarding
the shows when its actually the people who are aquiring them
that are putting this NFT label on them. Most filmers are willing
to sell or trade a show if its with another filmer and sometimes
even a collector.
I would venture that your friend is not a filmer but a collector
and a very selefish one. I also assume that the reason he tells
you not to talk or trade them is because he knows you post here
quite frequently. Whether a show is traded or not, especially
if its from 1992 doesn't matter. Especially if its a show that is out
already like Sacramento 92, OK 88.
Collectors in general want the best quality shows and they know they will get them
with the name Sabkisscrue and Damage Inc. on them,
but they arent gonna get them if they wait around for you to stop
feeling insecure and trade it. Bottom line is neither you or
your friend should a label a show as NFT when there is
nothing special about it anyways.
Someone went into a show, filmed it, and took it home.
Big fucking deal. Get over yourselves!
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Cjlcooter wrote: let's just say hans has a show that is NFT & unreleased well he says to you the only way for you to get this show is not to trade it out or talk about having it.
So no one should know that this or any such shows as these are in your possession. If you've talked about them already, you've already violated that agreement....
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MetDream wrote:
Cjlcooter wrote: let's just say hans has a show that is NFT & unreleased well he says to you the only way for you to get this show is not to trade it out or talk about having it.
So no one should know that this or any such shows as these are in your possession. If you've talked about them already, you've already violated that agreement....
nope i have not violated or talked about them publically with anyone.
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Cjlcooter wrote: nope i have not violated or talked about them publically with anyone.
Talking privately would be telling someone, nonetheless. Correct?
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MetDream wrote:
Cjlcooter wrote: nope i have not violated or talked about them publically with anyone.
Talking privately would be telling someone, nonetheless. Correct?
nope it would not because i have only spoke to a select few about certain unreleased shows, but (i asked them to keep the info to themselves) but i have told "no one" about the other shows

also why are you trying to be a smart ass?.. if you are trying to piss me off it is working.
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I'm not being a smart ass... regardless who you tell in public or in private, you've violated your don't talk about it agreement, period. Eventually those "trusted" people tell people they trust, asking them not to tell and so on... then eventually a whole bunch of "trusted" people know about the show and the knowledge becomes public.

But more so, I am just wondering why you are having a public argument in this thread about shows that you are not supposed to even talk about? Or are you saying it is ok for you to talk about the shows you are arguing about in this thread, but not ok to trade them? If you can't trade them out and are not supposed to talk about them, then why does anyone know you have them to argue with you about them?

If something is NFT then it shouldn't be advertised, talked about (regardless if it is just to "prove" a sources exists) or held out the the community with a "lookie, lookie what I have, but too bad you can't have it, I can't trade it, neener neener neener." I find this to be rather immature and the most stupidest part about NFT shows.

And I am not talking to you in specific but the whole NFT mentality in general.
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MetDream wrote: If something is NFT then it shouldn't be advertised, talked about (regardless if it is just to "prove" a sources exists) or held out the the community with a "lookie, lookie what I have, but too bad you can't have it, I can't trade it, neener neener neener." I find this to be rather immature and the most stupidest part about NFT shows.
Yes, I agree. A few priceless quotes:
you have a better chance at getting struck by lightning then getting some of the shows he has filmed.
yes i read what you asked, but the bottom line is his masters & 1st gens are obtainable by only a couple of select people
fuck it i will show you 4 screenshots from the master 1-10-92 sacremento california
now tell me who is bullshitting on having it.
...and when someone else's screenshot was clearly superior:
no it is not the Master it is more like a 2nd gen i already told invaders that in a pm the screenshots might look a little similar but it all depends on what program one uses to take screenshots with power dvd takes shit screenshots and makes them look grainy where other programs make them look alot nicer

...

also if you look at the bottom screen you can clearly see it was edited/resized/cut off to make it look better where on mine it looks a little green i could cut mine off also but mine is original i did not try to hide, resize, clolor or pass off a photoshopped fake. to try to make mine look worse then it is.
...and complaining when other people don't release shows:
why must people sit on these fucking cliff videos honestly here is what i think someone needs to just ask the band if it is ok to let some other unreleased cliff videos out i can tell you this if cliff was still alive these videos would be out but because he is deceased people want to hoarde these cliff videos and it is sad i started it let someone else try it out what is the real harm?

...

unrealing these videos should be a 50 50 thing one guy lets one out for everyone to enjoy then another person should step up and continue thats just my opinion..
Bottom line is: the whole point of having bootlegs marked as NFT is to boost one's own collection, it's not "out of respect to the filmer." You may have a show marked as NFT, but if someone offers you something good enough you'll trade it out without a thought as to the wishes of whomever traded it to you. I've seen lots of new shows that have been released and the first few people who get them will mark them as NFT just to get some quick trades for uncommon/rare shows before the bootleg becomes too widely circulated, even though the show is being freely traded/torrented by the rest of the community. That kind of thing happened with a couple different 2004 shows.
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The thing I hate the most about rare shows (or nft). Is (or was) spending hours that equal days that equal moths traking down a show and being told it's not for trade. Trying to find a video of venom of is imposable. :mad:
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just a comment of me on this NFT topic:

it's just sad to see that there are so many shows out there which we all know do exist, but thea are all NFT...for me personally i'm not wanting them because they are NFT or rare, i want them because i was at some og these show (for example rock im park 03 and 06, munich 04, ...)...it's always great to have a video bootleg of shows on which i have been!!

@leomet
i have done a few trades with dirk for normal shows, because he never trades his recordings...he was always nice and friendly...but i can't agree with you if you say he is not a hoarder!!! how do you call that, if everybody knows you have filmed a show because it's written on your website and you don't trade it??? anyway, dirk has the right to do what he wants with his recordings, but would it be that hard for him to release them??? i don't think so. i know quiet a few of my trading friends would also love to get one or another of dirk's shows, because they were there and would like to have the video as a memory on the show.

@ all hoarders
why not share your recordings of the band we all like with others?? i'm sure so many metallica fans here would appreciate your filming work, authoring and efforts to release a show!!

is there any reason that makes sense why some guys don't want to release their videos?? anybody has an answer on this question??
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