Bitching about the Commaders vine

[The Commader]

You said it very well Unforgiven. This Philly show is grainy sometimes? Well maybe and it's in 4:3 format! The people likes it. Paris and London 09 authored by me were also in 4:3 and the people didn't liked it. I think a few guys in here are really confused?!

[Metfan72]

Well said JW, well the parts I could understand.

There are certain people on here that you know do not share anything. They do not upload anything onto the tracker (I can't anymore), they make ZERO trades and only lay in wait for the next thing to downloaded and ask if every new releases is going to be on the tracker.

Now I know we don't want to lose people, but in my opinion, those that only take and never give back should not be here at all. Just my opinion.

The vine section is closing because what Andy did was wrong, everyone on here sees that it was wrong, except for himself. You know that vine shows are being traded before the vine ends, people getting the discs and keeping them instead of burning and paying $2.00, if that for postage. Just way too many headaches and too much time and effort into resending discs. We are all ADULTS, COPYING & PASTING is not that hard, but seems some people get the shows in and then we never hear from them.

So I am glad you posted this, but sometimes when I see an AWESOME guy like Bernd stepping away because he is tired of the people who only take, it bugs me because people could put a little more effort into getting something to share.

Look, I have the same Paris show that was on the tracker. I know people already have it, but when my version comes back if people want it, it will be available.

Maybe others won't because they already have it, but the point is I tried to get something to share. If I am successful in recording the Toronto shows, they will most likely be shared too, but not on the tracker.

Cheers & Good post

Paul

[The Commader]

I've done like other persons doing the same ok without watermark. Na und?

[Metfan72]

I've done like other persons too

Dude, have you no shame? After the mess you created, the least you could do is answer to the people why you did what you did instead of coming in here with more idiotic one line answers that make no sense and explain nothing.

So unless you have an answer or solution, keep those vague, one liners out of here. JW made a good post and so did I, and what have you contributed?

NOTHING as always.

[donman08]

I posted this show, not for a quarrel in the topic, but for sharing it with many people who are fan of Metallica....!!!

I want to say something about things I read and see here on Metpage, like the adds in the Vine's from people who blame or whatever people about shows who are made by people and all the work they do for it, people who stop and leave this page ( good people I know personal), because there are people who don't want to trade but only get shows, and sit at home on the shows who every one like to trade and get as a fan of the band, I don't understand why people keep the shows for them self, what are you doing on a site iff you dont wanne trade them out, and the most difficult part is we all now they have them , they let us all know they have them and nobody can get them.
Some traders have there own rules, because in the past something happend, somethings of no good trade, some one f**ked them up, we can't help that, so look in the future and try to understand that there will be less shows to trade out iff everyone stay and sit on his own shows or unreleashed or rare shows..

When the Vine is not opend again , how do many people will get there shows..??


Is it possible that everyone stops with his answers and quarrels about a show what is on this site..!! Please.........

This is a trading and Fan site not a chatroom or place to make people black..!!
Iff someone makes a mistake help them out and don't treath them like a fool........

Rules must be accepted, we are going to lose more people iff we go one like this..!!

So let's think all of this .......

PS: don't shoot the messenger ( thats me)

Cheersz to all people out here and let's keep Metpage alive and kickin'

Unforgiven

I'm glad you shared this since most people just grab and run. When the vine is over i will share whatever is allowed here for my part in contributing to metpage Metpage72, I hope were still cool and if i pissed you off im sorry bro....

[The Commader]

Always blah blah

[Metfan72]

Not pissed at all, but as I said earlier, when good Respected people are thinking of not trading and are leaving the board when they are known contributors, that is what gets to me.

People leaving because they get somewhat frustrated at always sharing and others just taking and not giving anything back. It is not much of a community with that kind of mentality.

And once the vines are done, yeah feel free to post those shows on the tracker for those that could not join the vine.

[sjmike]

You said it very well Unforgiven. This Philly show is grainy sometimes? Well maybe and it's in 4:3 format! The people likes it. Paris and London 09 authored by me were also in 4:3 and the people didn't liked it. I think a few guys in here are really confused?!

Both of those shows were filmed in 16:9 and put to dvd by the original tapers in that format as well. The 1 DVD second source of Philly 2009 is in 4:3 format, but it was originally authored that way with the raw camera footage so the compression is at a minimum. The original second source of Philly 2009 was released on a dual layer dvd and someone used dvd shrink to compress it down to 1 DVD and trade it out.

However, taking shows that were already authored to 16:9 on DVD, then by re-authoring them down to 4:3 (just because you don't like 16:9), and adding a (unnecessary) watermark will always cause compression and graininess in the video.

The thing that people are most upset about is that you added a watermark to shows that you did not tape. You already had your named on the credits menu on each of the discs, so why add the watermark? Albeit you incorrectly thanked the wrong taper for London 2009. Noel didn't film it, Chris Adams did. If you were to release any of your masters and put a watermark on the video, no-one would care because its your show.

[deadone]

well i no this is a little late in my responce to this but im gonna say it anyway.
i traded for these shows in mention here for the manchester show, and when i heard that he altered them and added watermarks etc etc i was a little annoyed to say the least.
trying to class something you didnt do as your own and vining it was a bad thing in my book but trading it out knowing that you altered everything sucks.
im pretty new into dvd trading and altering some1 elses work has never even crossed my mind.
filmers do a great job of getting us the shows they attend and deserve some gratitude for there efforts.
this is the sort of thing that causes tapers to not let shows out into the trading world.
i have nothing against you as a person as i dont know you but as far as future trades with you goes, dont even ask

mick

[Metfan72]

Hey Mick, I too traded for the London because out of everyone that wanted the Sheffield show he is the only one who refused to send a list.

Just kept pushing the London show on me. So in the end, both you & I traded for these shows as he was not offering anything else, just pushing these shows that he altered.

And that is why he refused to put setlists and screens for anyone to see in the vine sign up thread and would not verify sources.

Claims to not know how to take screens but can put LiveMet to a show and watermark it? Someone get me a shovel.