DISCLAIMER:
this is NOT a normal blu-ray-resolution disc as people would expect reading out of the title.
this is a normal dvd resolution-set (720x576 / 720x480) being put on a single layer blu-ray but with higher video bitrates than
dvd standards do allow.
there is no need for any up-or down converting when working with vhs capturing through DV format allready working in DVD resolution!
this project has been in the works for many months and at points it seemed we couldn't finalize it! but we did!!
the main idea has been:
fitting the whole ~150min show from the best quality sources available on one single layer disc with high video bitrates and LPCM sound!
thanks to Blu-ray technology we're now able to do this!
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credits first:
- illusion GN'R camp!
- the Show VHS provided by the brother from "JARL", thanks to his family for borrowing the best quality video source we've seen
circulating so far!!! the colors are just amazing!
- all other VHS tapes are coming from the "LIMULUS"-collection. he also did all the transfers, editing and encoding!
- all final Blu-Ray authoring done by the one and only "GNROSAS"!!
2 requests:
- NOT to be sold!
- ANY nice upgrades and uncirculating quality "Guns N' Roses"-sources!
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GN'R
June 06, 1992 - Hippodrome De Vincennes, Paris, France
opening acts:
Soundgarden, Faith No More
setlist:
1) "Veronica" TV Channel Introduction
2) Intro
3) It's So Easy
4) Mr. Brownstone
5) Axl Talking #1
6) Live And Let Die
7) Attitude
8) Bad Obsession
9) Always On The Run
10) Axl Talking #2
11) Double Talkin' Jive + Slash Solo #1
12) Voodoo Chile (Intro) + Civil War
13) Wild Horses
14) Patience
15) Axl Talking #3
16) You Could Be Mine
17) Piano Intro + It's Alright
18) November Rain
19) Band Introduction + Matt Solo
20) Band Jam + Slash Solo #2
21) Blues Jam
22) The Godfather-Theme
23) Sail Away Sweet Sister/Bad Time (Intros)
24) Sweet Child O' Mine
25) Welcome To The Jungle
26) Only Women Bleed (Intro)
27) Knockin' On Heaven's Door
28) Mama Kin
29) Train Kept A Rollin'
30) Don't Cry
31) Slash Talking + Mother (Intro)
32) Paradise City
33) Outro
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INFO / Sources and Transfers
Video - The Show (151:01min / 13,7gb):
TV ("Veronica TV" June 06, 1992) -> unknown vcr -> dutch PAL VHS Master (mono) [Jarl's brother] -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
some intro mixed in from:
TV ("Premiere" June 06, 1992) -> unknown vcr -> german PPV PAL VHS Master (stereo) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [Limulus])
-> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
editing:
Video centering / 4x black border adding / (NO colour editing!) / 2pass encoding @
Maximum: 27850
Average: 13000
Minimum: 11000
result (Bitrate Viewer Version 1.5.054):
Peak: 16546
Average: 12688
Audio (LPCM):
#beginning before the intro: dutch PAL VHS Master (mono) [Jarl's brother]
#main parts: TV ("Premiere" June 06, 1992) -> unknown vcr -> german PPV PAL VHS Master (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [Limulus])
-> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> SONY DAT TCD-D7 -> POC-DA12p (optical cable) -> PC/WAV -> dED
+
#Westwood One stereo silvers -> EAC (secure, offset corrected) -> WAV/PC -> dED
[LALD, Always On The Run, Piano Intro/Its Alright, Blues Jam, Godfather-Theme, Don't Cry]
+
#circulating stereo 2DVD-R (JM78) AC3 -> WAV -> dED
[Bad Obsession; DTJ (3/4), Train Kept A Rollin', Outro (last part)]
basically there has never been a complete perfect stereo source circulating from this show.
this stereo VHS source has the best sound overall but also suffers from lots of trouble, the main trouble parts have been edited out by
using the other 2 stereo sources (though the Westwood One being some weak quality, the other one being some lossy).
however the final audio is nice stereo in general but still has lots of small trouble.
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Paris'92 Intros (3:27min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> various PAL VHS-Masters/gen2 (Limulus) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
Audio (LPCM):
TV -> various PAL VHS-Masters/gen2 (Limulus) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback) -> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (NO Equalizing!!)
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Paris'92 Post-Show (9:15min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [Limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
Audio (LPCM):
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [Limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (NO Equalizing!!)
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Paris'92-Rehearsals / Interviews (32:35min):
Video:
1Cam MTV PRO (archieves) -> NTSC VHS2 (stereo) (TDK (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [Limulus]) -> JVC HR-S3500u (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
Audio (LPCM):
1Cam MTV PRO (archieves) -> NTSC VHS2 (stereo) (TDK (Extra High Grade) 180 [SP Modus] [Limulus]) -> JVC HR-S3500u (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (NO Equalizing!!)
Notes:
- interviews have been crossfaded for getting only the paris'92 related info
- this is the only NTSC vhs source on this blu-ray, the resolution stays in NTSC 720x480, all the rest is PAL 720x576
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"GN'R & Metallica - Live And Loud" (22:38min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (BASF (Super High Grade) 180 [SP Mode] [Limulus] -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
Audio (LPCM):
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (BASF (Super High Grade) 180 [SP Mode] [Limulus -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (some hissing on here, NO Equalizing!!)
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"GN'R - Past, Present N' Future" (21:37min):
Video:
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [Limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> StraightWire Mega-HDS (SVHS out/in) -> DV/PC
Audio (LPCM):
TV (MTV Europe) -> unknown vcr -> PAL VHS Master (mono) (TDK HIFI (Extra High Grade) 240 [SP Modus] [Limulus]) -> JVC HR-S9600eu (Playback)
-> RCA Out/In -> DV/PC -> WAV -> dED (some hissing on here, NO Equalizing!!)
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High-tech notes:
A) Is your PC ready for Blu-ray discs?
- Update/install the latest video drivers, get them here:
http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us
- Anything else needs update/upgrade?
Check with free software "Blu-ray Adviser", get it here:
http://www.cyberlink.com/prog/bd-support/diagnosis.do
Watching this show from hard drive folder:
There are only a few software players around able to play blu-ray content, the more or the less:
Arcsoft TotalMedia Theatre
Roxio CinePlayer 2009
Don't be surprised if the menu doesn't work or audio is mute. On many systems software players don't properly access blu-ray content
stored on hard drive folders. Don't panic, here is a workaround:
C) Workaround if your player software can't access hard drive folders:
Run ImgBurn v2.4.2 (it's free, get it here:http://www.imgburn.com/)
Choose "Create image file from files/folders", choose the "BDMV" folder as your source, destination will be an ISO file .
ImgBurn will set the proper file system (UDF) and revision (2.5)
ImgBurn will then create an ISO image form all 59 files in 6 folders
(exactly 59 files, 6 folders! If you got more or less folders/files, your source folder starting point is wrong!)
Mount the ISO image with "DaemonTools Pro"
(20days fully functional free trial version available here:
http://www.disc-soft.com/download/dtproStd/eval)
You can then watch with a BD player mentioned above.
D) If you have a blu-ray burner:
This torrent can be burned by using a Blu-ray ISO supporting software, like
freeware ImgBurn v2.4.2.0
(get it here: http://www.imgburn.com/)
or
"Power2go 6"
(get a fully functional free 30 days trial version here:
http://www.cyberlink.com/multi/download ... n_US.html)
or
NERO v8 / v9
E) Be sure that your program produces a blu-ray video and not a blu-ray data disc. It's strongly adviced to burn the ISO image
created by Imgburn to get a proper blu-ray video disc.
For NERO: NERO Burning ROM -> Recorder -> Burn Image
For Power2go: Power2go -> Copy Disc -> Burn Disc Image
To produce a good burn result
- you have to reduce write speed to the minimum
- you have to activate your software's "defect management".
for NERO: NERO Burning ROM -> Recorder -> Select Recorder -> Options -> Defect Management
for Power2go: Burning -> Burn Disc Image -> Enable defect management]
You can then watch this disc in your blu-ray drive or your Sony Playstation 3
At present moment BD technology in not widespread among traders, but the torrent could be stored and then burned at a later day.
please note that the frame rates (25fps and 29.9fps) might not be compatible with Blu-ray specification and may cause problems
for some BD players which strictly follow BR format. add that non european blu-ray-players like (Ntsc) PS3 might also be unable to playback this disc for now.
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### first torrented on TTD on June 21, 2009 ###
HUGE thanks to my buddies GNROSAS, LIMULUS, JARL and whomever else helped with this release! Great new upgrade for an amazing show! A MUST HAVE
for those with blu-ray capabilities and those of us whom are at least a LITTLE interested in GNR.
