Bitching about trading shows before someone else gets it

[rusalguhl]

yesterday after Jörgs post here i contact him and offert him 4 DVDs from my collection,(whatever he want) but he dont like ....

[rusalguhl]

I got it from here when it was made available to EVERYONE.

And sorry but when shows are being SOLD for a profit, then all bets are off in my books.

Nobody should be making any type of MONETARY gain from bootlegs.

I also don't see you questioning Krzych if he asked either as he is trading 2009-04-02 and from what I believe he got them free, but I traded for mine.

but what have ChMetal from this, nothing.

Dont understand me wrong Paul, i got a show in a trade (not from frantikfreak) and i trade it.

About Santos Stuttgart, he want 12 DVDs frantikfreak sourced, think we never get his DVDs....
but i can understand him he see whats are new and want to make the best deals.

@ unforgifen, i absolut agree with you, some guys post in a tradeforum what he has filmed, but dont trade it

[norbinho]

can somebody explain me this case please:

has jörg said to the guys that traded with him for his masters that his masters are NFT or that they can do RT with them?

if they are RT, maybe this is the reason why quite a few guys have them!!

@ jörg
mate, don't be too much angry, most of the people here are really great guys...believe me, i can imagine how you feel, similiar thing happenend to my maiden master from 2007...and it was also re-authored, compressed onto 1 dvd and sold via internet...when i first saw that i was really pissed on, but after a while i didn't give a fuck anymore...it's greater to see people being happy because they got a video of a show they have visited.

i was thinking about not releasing my masters more than one time, because of episodes like that and because i don't want that certain people, better to say stupid idiots, get copies of shows i filmed...but you can't prevent that.

i don't have any korn shows, but if you need something else (metallica, machine head, ...) let me know and maybe some others and i here can compensate a bit your loss because of your masters being traded everywhere...there are already too many people who hide their recordings and would be a worse thing if you plan to do so too!!

[LeperMessiah26]

If the agreement with Jorg and Jake was exclusive, my raw master tape, for yours, then it would have been cool, no trouble, Jake could do what he wants with Tallica, and Jorg with Korn
But obviously Jorg has sent Metallica to other people, probably with the RT tag put on, those people have traded it for other RT shows, and others have traded it for what they think are RT shows, its totally spread now, and not wanting to sound too much of a dick here, but you cant very well complain about it, they only did what you have asked, RT the show.

Now, if Jorg sent it to someone, with instructions NOT, to trade it, and that person traded it anyway, then he has been fucked over, and has every right to complain.

I dont know the ins and outs of it all, and i dont really care, this community is turning into a babys playground lately, ( I include myself in that, before anyone mentions my post about my site)

I have the shows, but they are not visible on my site, as requested, but, seeing as 90% of the Tallica trading community has the shows, they may as well be listed

The moral of the story is, if you dont want your recording getting out, then dont send it to ANYONE, as it will be traded, like all the NFT shows get traded, which renders the whole RT,NFT shows useless, as the become normal trades!

[Metfan72]

I got it from here when it was made available to EVERYONE.

And sorry but when shows are being SOLD for a profit, then all bets are off in my books.

Nobody should be making any type of MONETARY gain from bootlegs.

I also don't see you questioning Krzych if he asked either as he is trading 2009-04-02 and from what I believe he got them free, but I traded for mine.

but what have ChMetal from this, nothing.

Dont understand me wrong Paul, i got a show in a trade (not from frantikfreak) and i trade it.

About Santos Stuttgart, he want 12 DVDs frantikfreak sourced, think we never get his DVDs....
but i can understand him he see whats are new and want to make the best deals.

@ unforgifen, i absolut agree with you, some guys post in a tradeforum what he has filmed, but dont trade it

Jurgen,

If CHMetal was the one putting his shows on EBAY, then what he has is money. On EBAY it does not say anything about RT/NFT.

He put those up to make the maximum amount of profit as he can and I hope he did, but now he cannot come back and say that I sold my show on EBAY to 500 people, I wan't those people that bought the show from to ask me permission to trade it.

Sorry but once it is for sale to the public, he has no control or right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do with it.

Just my opinion.

[Krzych]

Guys, make sticky threads with infos (when to share/trade, whatever, ...and what not), visible and clear for everyone. Give tapers few months to fill their wishlists out.
Tapers will ask to create threads, I'm sure. If not, then choose one reliable person, and let he/her inform us what's goin on with newest stuff.
More work Mods will have more people won't make mistakes.
Tryin to show you one of solutions.

edit: then everyone who'll ask for trades will check your stickies, and he'll do his requests well.

[norbinho]

He put those up to make the maximum amount of profit as he can and I hope he did, but now he cannot come back and say that I sold my show on EBAY to 500 people, I wan't those people that bought the show from to ask me permission to trade it.

Sorry but once it is for sale to the public, he has no control or right to tell anyone what they can and cannot do with it.

have to agree with that..

[unforgiven]

Agreed with all I read, Shall we share all shows together and stop the "SHIT" with RT /NFT and so on who found out this rule??.....many people here don't like this Rare / NFT rules or are they rules?

They more we discuss this item, the more people are sitting on there shows. Let it rest..!!

All we wanne do it share the shows and discuss about how good they are and see many shows shared, is this a cry in the dessert..........??

Well Guys, let me know your opion's

PS: as before tapers rules are for themselves...........iff they give it out ONE time it will be shared around..........


Unforgiven

[Dusan]

I dont write many times now, because I dont have time for it... I hate RT/NFT shows, shows are taped by fans and for fans So STOP use NT/RT/NFT, they arent traders rules, trader rule is "trade it for free !!!" (PS: Vienna I hope soon)

[maidencolorado]

I can see both sides of it. As a filmer, I'd like to think I can get shows I'm interested in for my efforts. At the same time, once a show is out there, it is really out of your control what happens with it. You'd like to think that your wishes would be followed, but there will be people who disregard them. Also, the more the show gets around, the less likely any RT rules will be followed at all, and it may just be an issue of the message not being passed along. Also, what may be considered RT by some may not be by others, so it is a grey area.

I like the idea of a show being offered for certain shows and the show being sent after they are received. That way, the person with the show in the first place is sure to get what they are looking for.

Personally, if I have a show that the filmer has requested me to list as RT, I simply won't list it until I hear it is available for regular trade. I will also not list a show that is NFT, as I really don't see the point in doing so.