Bitching from the Hockenhiem Thread

[norbinho]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

[Dennis]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

Cool, much respect for tapers, let me quess : JW ?

[Metfan72]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

JW is not one of them. Well guys it has been a great run.

Just want to say Thanks to both Jorg & Dennis for offering some cool shows for us Metalli -Heads but we got to believe this is it from them.

How many times can they be fucked over and keep coming back for more? I would rather have these 2 great guys who film shows than the guy who keeps fucking them over and has NEVER filmed a damn show in his life.

[norbinho]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

i know what you mean, paul...i'm already thinking what i will do with my munich master (still working on other shows before i have time for this one) to not make shit like that happen to it.

i think the only thing we can do is putting a watermark on it and then let it out...don't want to be called one of these guys who keeps videos forever and himself!!

[Dennis]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

VERY good idea ! Keep ur masters for urself to see

Korn 2007/06/03 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Korn 2007/06/17 “Fields Of Rock” Biddinghuizen – Netherlands
Korn 2007/06/23 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Stone Sour 2007/06/23 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Korn 2008/01/28 “Lotto Arena” Antwerp – Belgium
Korn 2008/01/29 “Heineken Music Hall” Amsterdam – Netherlands
Korn 2008/02/15 “Columbia Halle” Berlin – Germany
Korn 2008/02/16 “Haus Auensee” Leipzig – Germany
Metallica 2008/05/30 “Pinkpop” Landgraaf - Netherlands
Jonathan Davis 2008/05/30 “Pinkpop” Landgraaf – Netherlands
Jonathan Davis 2008/05/31 “Zeche” Bochum – Germany
RATM 2008/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Prodigy 2008/06/07 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Jonathan Davis 2008/06/07 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Gojira 2008/10/09 “013” Tilburg – Netherlands
Disturbed 2008/10/11 “Ancienne Belgique” Bruxelles – Belgium
Slipknot 2008/11/20 “Heineken Music Hall” Amsterdam – Netherlands
Children Of Bodom 2008/11/24 “Philipshalle” Dusseldorf - Germany
Machine Head 2008/11/24 “Philipshalle” Dusseldorf – Germany
Slipknot 2008/11/24 “Philipshalle” Dusseldorf – Germany
Slipknot 2008/12/14 “Lotto Arena” Antwerp – Belgium
Ill Nino 2009/02/25 “Effenaar” Eindhoven – Netherlands
Hatesphere 2009/05/02 “Willem 2” Den Bosch – Netherlands
Machine Head 2009/05/17 “Lanxess Arena” Cologne – Germany
Metallica 2009/05/17 “Lanxess Arena” Cologne – Germany
Papa Roach 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Killswitch Engage 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Marilyn Manson 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Korn 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
The Prodigy 2009/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Machine Head 2009/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Slipknot 2009/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Limp Bizkit 2009/06/07 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Korn 2009/06/08 “Zitadelle” Berlin – Germany
Machine Head 2009/06/08 “Zitadelle” Berlin – Germany
Korn 2009/06/16 “Rock Hal” Esch Sur Alzette – Luxembourg
Korn 2009/06/17 “Le Bataclan” Paris - France
Korn 2009/06/18 “La Luna” Maubeuge – France
Korn 2009/06/20 “Sonisphere” Nijmegen - Netherlands
Slipknot 2009/06/20 “Sonisphere” Nijmegen - Netherlands
Metallica 2009/06/20 “Sonisphere” Nijmegen – Netherlands
Korn 2009/06/27 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Gojira 2009/06/27 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Slipknot 2009/06/27 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Lamb Of God 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel - Belgium
Trivium 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel - Belgium
Marilyn Manson 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel - Belgium
Disturbed 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Disturbed 2009/06/30 “013” Tilburg – Netherlands
Korn 2009/07/01 “Store Vega” Copenhagen – Denmark
Deftones 2009/08/20 “Pukkelpop” Hasselt - Belgium
Faith No More 2009/08/20 “Pukkelpop” Hasselt – Belgium
Coldplay 2009/09/09 “Goffertpark” Nijmegen - Netherlands


53 masters taped, shared 7 so far... people fuck it up for themselves !

[Metfan72]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

i know what you mean, paul...i'm already thinking what i will do with my munich master (still working on other shows before i have time for this one) to not make shit like that happen to it.

i think the only thing we can do is putting a watermark on it and then let it out...don't want to be called one of these guys who keeps videos forever and himself!!

Fully understand Bernd. Don't want to be that guy either and as you have seen I have released my shows.

Judas Priest is out there thanks to your great Authoring, my Dream Theater I willingly put out there, not even for trade just vined it for all to have, so it is not like I want to be a hoarder, just can't believe how many times filmers can get fucked over by the same guy and the Ban Hammer never drops on him.

[norbinho]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

Cool, much respect for tapers, let me quess : JW ?

i don't know who did convert it, dennis...maybe the uploader on jitf didn't do it and got it from soemone/somewhere else...we will never know it!!

just sad to see that those kids of the download generation don't respect filmers and appreciate their work...it's always better to watch a show in great dvd quality on your tv, then watch a compressed shitty quality version of it on your pc!!

[Metfan72]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

VERY good idea ! Keep ur masters for urself to see

Korn 2007/06/03 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Korn 2007/06/17 “Fields Of Rock” Biddinghuizen – Netherlands
Korn 2007/06/23 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Stone Sour 2007/06/23 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Korn 2008/01/28 “Lotto Arena” Antwerp – Belgium
Korn 2008/01/29 “Heineken Music Hall” Amsterdam – Netherlands
Korn 2008/02/15 “Columbia Halle” Berlin – Germany
Korn 2008/02/16 “Haus Auensee” Leipzig – Germany
Metallica 2008/05/30 “Pinkpop” Landgraaf - Netherlands
Jonathan Davis 2008/05/30 “Pinkpop” Landgraaf – Netherlands
Jonathan Davis 2008/05/31 “Zeche” Bochum – Germany
RATM 2008/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Prodigy 2008/06/07 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Jonathan Davis 2008/06/07 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Gojira 2008/10/09 “013” Tilburg – Netherlands
Disturbed 2008/10/11 “Ancienne Belgique” Bruxelles – Belgium
Slipknot 2008/11/20 “Heineken Music Hall” Amsterdam – Netherlands
Children Of Bodom 2008/11/24 “Philipshalle” Dusseldorf - Germany
Machine Head 2008/11/24 “Philipshalle” Dusseldorf – Germany
Slipknot 2008/11/24 “Philipshalle” Dusseldorf – Germany
Slipknot 2008/12/14 “Lotto Arena” Antwerp – Belgium
Ill Nino 2009/02/25 “Effenaar” Eindhoven – Netherlands
Hatesphere 2009/05/02 “Willem 2” Den Bosch – Netherlands
Machine Head 2009/05/17 “Lanxess Arena” Cologne – Germany
Metallica 2009/05/17 “Lanxess Arena” Cologne – Germany
Papa Roach 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Killswitch Engage 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Marilyn Manson 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Korn 2009/06/05 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
The Prodigy 2009/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Machine Head 2009/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Slipknot 2009/06/06 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Limp Bizkit 2009/06/07 “Rock Am Ring” Nurburgring – Germany
Korn 2009/06/08 “Zitadelle” Berlin – Germany
Machine Head 2009/06/08 “Zitadelle” Berlin – Germany
Korn 2009/06/16 “Rock Hal” Esch Sur Alzette – Luxembourg
Korn 2009/06/17 “Le Bataclan” Paris - France
Korn 2009/06/18 “La Luna” Maubeuge – France
Korn 2009/06/20 “Sonisphere” Nijmegen - Netherlands
Slipknot 2009/06/20 “Sonisphere” Nijmegen - Netherlands
Metallica 2009/06/20 “Sonisphere” Nijmegen – Netherlands
Korn 2009/06/27 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Gojira 2009/06/27 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Slipknot 2009/06/27 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Lamb Of God 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel - Belgium
Trivium 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel - Belgium
Marilyn Manson 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel - Belgium
Disturbed 2009/06/28 “Graspop” Dessel – Belgium
Disturbed 2009/06/30 “013” Tilburg – Netherlands
Korn 2009/07/01 “Store Vega” Copenhagen – Denmark
Deftones 2009/08/20 “Pukkelpop” Hasselt - Belgium
Faith No More 2009/08/20 “Pukkelpop” Hasselt – Belgium
Coldplay 2009/09/09 “Goffertpark” Nijmegen - Netherlands


53 masters taped, shared 7 so far... people fuck it up for themselves !

Wow, that is alot of shows Dennis.

We have always had good communication and I have never once hounded you or questioned anything you said or asked for so I hope you know I am one of the good guys here.

I fucking hate that this happened to first Jorg with Oberhausen & Cologne, now this show plus your show and yeah I am pissed that 2 good guys that film cool bands will now turn their backs on the Metallica community because the actions of just 1 or 2.

I appreciate the efforts you have made in trying to share the shows you film but truth is, trust will now always be an issue when dealing with anyone from here.

[Dennis]

Well, i will finish up these DVD this weekend or beginning of next week and then that will be all.

So far, people i can trust are guys like trash, nassim, frantic, antinea, michael, adam, bernd & nicolas. The rest LOSERS. As of now i will only do trades with people like these, keep all N/A in between friends.

[norbinho]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

i know what you mean, paul...i'm already thinking what i will do with my munich master (still working on other shows before i have time for this one) to not make shit like that happen to it.

i think the only thing we can do is putting a watermark on it and then let it out...don't want to be called one of these guys who keeps videos forever and himself!!

Fully understand Bernd. Don't want to be that guy either and as you have seen I have released my shows.

Judas Priest is out there thanks to your great Authoring, my Dream Theater I willingly put out there, not even for trade just vined it for all to have, so it is not like I want to be a hoarder, just can't believe how many times filmers can get fucked over by the same guy and the Ban Hammer never drops on him.

yeah, i understand your point too...these things happening with great master videos (being compressed to shitty quality, being uploaded everywhere, ....) are really annoying...i think a big problem is that "generation download" only wants to push a button to get a show and not do a trade for it!!

...but as you said, i could understand if great filmers like you, dennis or jörg stop releasing their videos (which would be sad for all the guys who appreciated releases of new shows) because "generation download" has no respect for guys who try to film shows and release them...all this converting and re-authoring of shows should stop!!