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tromster wrote: I can't understand how at first place you asked to trade this show and then you changed your mind and now you are selling a show which you DIDN'T pay and of course you DIDN'T filmed it, you are making profit from some others work. That sucks. Anyway I offered you two show check at the topic you started and let me know if you are interesting.
Of course he's not interested.

This was all about big noting. Wave it around for everyone to "ohhh" and "argh" over. "Oh it's for trade" "Now it's not for trade" "now it's for sale" "now it's not for sale". In the end no-one's really any better off for this whole charade anyway.

It's always been for trade, people.
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Sailing home wrote: They don't say anything about this. Some people from around Metallica are here.
1 of them did ask for some Australian boots, and on metfuk.

I am (pretty) sure they basicly know what is there/here in our comunnity. The other pro shots are there for many
years, Den Bosch, last year Milton Keynes. Just like the shows with the Livemet dubbed audio. They allow this, and also Lars did
accept those Russian dvd releases too some years ago, dubbed with the Livemet mix, and still nothing happend now :lol: .
That was Jeff. Trading is OK...selling NO...that's the copyright law every label has...it's normal ;)
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unforgiven wrote: wierd is still for me, Milton Keyes 1993 was offert FOR MONEY IN A FUND, and nobody complained, no its a war against me.
Old shows in funds we have alot here on MP , and nobody ever complained....
You forget the fact that the original owner of the Milton K tape isn't a bootleg trader and he didn't offer his show here (AFAIK)... ;)
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Paganec wrote: NT and RT things (I believe) were invented by filmers in a first place. If you filmed a show you would want to trade it by yourself, thats why you asking ppl to 'put this show as NT, put this show as RT'. I believe these terms are actually needed because of damn torrent system. Lets face it: some people spend a lot of money on dvd-r's and shipping, they spend their own time, in a meantime the other group of people waits for 2 months (e.g.) and simply download this show for free, not spending money, anything. How the hell this happened? Because a bit earlier the guy who seeded this rare show traded it for some kind of non-equality rare youtube sourced shit.

If we let all shows to be in a free circulation, I dont see a point in trading, cuz everyone will have the same lists, same shows. Of course I exaggerate things a little, but think of it. Selling of course is a bad thing, on the other hand, but dealing with sellers is a way too more easier than dealing with hoarders, the last category of people is just useless. But if you wanna buy a show (for reasonable price), seller doesn't trading for 10 years, he has a massive collection of VHS, hes not interested in anything, but he might sell some of the shows to you, its an opportunity.

Imagine that you got a show, super rare show, for 100$, this was the only chance to get this show, only paying. Now, you wont list is as RT, you would trade it freely? You can put RT mark and get something equally rare or you can get nothing. Maybe it would work for you, definitely not for me. I'm not talking about Metallica community, most of people here are awesome and trustful, but this about people outside this community, cuz there are shitload of different kind of traders around.
We are enjoying the same passion, not trying to have personal satisfaction because we have a bigger list than another trader, or we have more "RT" stuff than another trader.
Indeed you can have a bigger list if you're inside the trading community since years, u know a lot of more traders. That's normal and is how things must go....and usually they went so far.

I'm agree something can be rarest than others, but at everything there is a limit of the crazyness.

If we talk about official stuff collection, that's a total different thing.
Here we are talking about a few DVDs...with a paper case!!

Everyone now wants everything, and I'm agree this sucks, but who really has a passion, can wait with a big patience for a show to come out one day, but NOT for 1500 Euro for sure.

That's my point of view.
Btw, I filmed different shows back in the years now, but I never did this for money, just for "fun" and because I LOVE to film and trade.

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no leaf clover wrote:
Pete-Rock wrote: Kudos to you Rosa, Sepu, Metallifreak and everyone else I forgot. I love you guys. Trading is about passion, trust and still a hobby. Too many ppl trying to make a business out of it.
I agree with all those people too.

Trading is about passion. And the amount of passion that one has can't be caught in an amount of money.

Most of us that have a website have a line that sounds something like "Don't ask if my shows are for sale because the shows should be freely tradeable and then people start doing this??!??!?!?!?!? Are we nuts??!?!

Like others said the Mexico City show wasn't with us for the last 18 years and we didn't miss it then.
I don't miss it now. Would be fun if it had been going in circulation but it's not a shame that it won't as it seems now.

All the talk about rare stuff irritates me and annoys me as hell. I'm gonna remove all the RT marks from my website because shows should be available to everyone. All that bs about what a show is worth and shows should be traded for something equal. The only thing really equal are the discs the shows are burned on!

I've said some time ago around the Roskilde fundraiser that if this is the future of bootleg trading trading soon would be over. Now it seems that it is.

There's alot more stuff I want to get of my chest but I won't post it here because it would probably cause the biggest forum war ever and I don't want to be held responsible for that.

I think we on metpage should all think about how we can make trading how we want it to be: a hobby, trading shows freely without any restrictions at all (NFT and RT terms gone forever), based on passion and without the influence of money!
Don't tell me NFT and RT will be here forever because if we all say we won't accept that shit anymore than we can draw a line. It's that simple.

And let this be a place where there is room for criticism and discussion. It seems that lately alot of discussions here have to end in fights over really nothing!
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unforgiven wrote: The reason I offert the show was that I was offert 3 shows, after that I thought maybe a fund will make more people satisfied and the shows is spreaded to more people then only 2 people who offert a show(s),
in this thread https://forum.metpage.org/viewtopic.php?t=28959 there were 3 people offering you shows, plus my offer. get your numbers right.

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If this wasn't about money, and about a fund to spread it around (as absurd as that sounds), why the incredible markup in price on what you paid for it?
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Sepu wrote: I'm agree something can be rarest than others, but at everything there is a limit of the crazyness.
Couldn't agree with you more. When I see recent bootlegs lists where 3 of 5 shows marked as RT or NT I want to vomit, this is sick. People went crazy with these thing. If you have a list with 1000 DVDs and only 5 of them marked as RT its OK I guess, but not like 100.
Sepu wrote: Everyone now wants everything, and I'm agree this sucks, but who really has a passion, can wait with a big patience for a show to come out one day, but NOT for 1500 Euro for sure.
Also agree. I can live without Mexico show, we had a shitload of great shows from that era, not a big deal if we miss another one, but 1500 Euro is not a reasonable price. Why 1500? Why not 1000 or 2000. Here in Russia there is an expression 'to take from the the ceiling'. Said when someone make something up basing on nothing. If JW got this show for 400$ and offered for 1500EUR than he should be considered as a bootleg seller, because he crossed the line. And Milton Keynes has nothing to do with Mexico, that guy wasn't trader, he wasn't part of this community!
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tromster you give 2 shows
I would give 3 (or 4) shows
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Sepu wrote: Here we are talking about a few DVDs...with a paper case!!

Everyone now wants everything, and I'm agree this sucks, but who really has a passion, can wait with a big patience for a show to come out one day, but NOT for 1500 Euro for sure.
You got that right!