No damage inc. classic/master series releases anymore?

[norbinho]

I don't follow the logic. One guy let Ron down, now the whole community wont get other 'Classic Series'. Just dont do business with people you dont trust, why it should affect on everyone? I just don't get it.

it's ron's decision, mate...he can do what he wants.

2-3 years ago i was thinking the same - not releasing any masters anymore because the same few greedy guys and hoarders pissed me of a lot etc. BUT then at some point i decided to seed everything for free here when it's authored and on dvd as there are far more good people and real fans than those few hoarders and greedy bastards!! why should the good ones not be able to enjoy these shows??

but as said before, it's ron's decision and everybody should accept and respect it.

[koopee27]

Rons point was:

show that was supposed to remain unreleased until I got the okay

It was supposed to be unreleased, and not listed, and whatever. He may have shared it with some people, but those never listed it. But Santos did list it, and quite possibly people that Ron is worried about have found out that.. or not. Just speculating here..

kp

[Paganec]

I don't follow the logic. One guy let Ron down, now the whole community wont get other 'Classic Series'. Just dont do business with people you dont trust, why it should affect on everyone? I just don't get it.

it's ron's decision, mate...he can do what he wants.

sure sure, but hoarding itself is someones decision as well, filmer can do what he wants, etc.

Ron can do whatever he wants, its obvious, I respect him, to me 'filmed by damage inc' label always meant great quality, I appreciate everything he has done. I just don't see much difference between hoarding and not releasing 'Metallica Classic series' because of one guy, that's all I wanted to say.

[norbinho]

sure sure, but hoarding itself is someones decision as well, filmer can do what he wants, etc.

Ron can do whatever he wants, its obvious, I respect him, to me 'filmed by damage inc' label always meant great quality, I appreciate everything he has done. I just don't see much difference between hoarding and not releasing 'Metallica Classic series' because of one guy, that's all I wanted to say.

there are quite a few guys here on metpage who hoard without reasons and never give anything to the comunity, BUT download a lot of great shows from our tracker...what about these guys??

we have got a lot of great releases over the years from ron and now it's over...sad but true...but maybe this story shows what has happened to the trading world...it's not about metallica, the music and their live shows anymore, it's just about "who has the biggest list" and "hahaha, i have something nobody else has"...finally people need to leave this shit behind or more people will do the same as ron.

[J0nn0666]

we have got a lot of great releases over the years from ron and now it's over...sad but true...but maybe this story shows what has happened to the trading world...it's not about metallica, the music and their live shows anymore, it's just about "who has the biggest list" and "hahaha, i have something nobody else has"...finally people need to leave this shit behind or more people will do the same as ron.

You are EXACTLY right there my friend.It seems some people treat it as a business.Most people know my views on the whole RT,NFT rubbish,i personally only have 100 shows on my list,all unique,no different versions of the same show,and do you know what..I've sat and watched every single one from start to finish...next year i'll celebrate my 50th birthday,and my 30th year as a Metallica fan.
I'll gladly share whatever i have with anyone,regardless of what they have to share back.But if anyone tried to stiff me,that'd be it for them.i can sympathise with what happened to Ron,and i have many of his great shows,but i don't think punishing the community as a whole is the right thing to do because of the selfish act of one person,but that's his decision.

[Paganec]

there are quite a few guys here on metpage who hoard without reasons and never give anything to the comunity, BUT download a lot of great shows from our tracker...what about these guys??

What about them? They are doing just fine, I guess. To me, there can be only one solution and I personally follow it. People should have no business at all with these guys. But some people just can't resist, they trade with hoarders to get a good show back no matter what kind of a person they trade with. I personally wont trade with a 'bad person' even if he has a cool show.

we have got a lot of great releases over the years from ron and now it's over...sad but true...but maybe this story shows what has happened to the trading world...it's not about metallica, the music and their live shows anymore, it's just about "who has the biggest list" and "hahaha, i have something nobody else has"...finally people need to leave this shit behind or more people will do the same as ron.

To me this sad story shows that if you don't want your shows to appear on someone's list, don't do any business with person you don't completely trust. And while Metallica trading community sucks big time these days, because of certain people who want everything and NOW, this circle of trust should be narrow. Unfortunately nothing can change these peoples' minds, they should remain ignored, they should be pushed back from the community in order to heal it.

I think torrents/youtube and damn NT killed trading world. There is no more such a thing as 'trading world'. People more often just share their masters or trade it only with friends. I don't know whether it is good or bad.

[norbinho]

What about them? They are doing just fine, I guess. To me, there can be only one solution and I personally follow it. People should have no business at all with these guys. But some people just can't resist, they trade with hoarders to get a good show back no matter what kind of a person they trade with. I personally wont trade with a 'bad person' even if he has a cool show.

yeah, you got to the point, my russian friend...we made that proposal several times here, but people are still trading with persons like these and so they will always get what they want and the hoarding will go on.

@ all
everyone should realise that our comunity here is so very small and there are a lot of people on this planet who know metallica and their music and visit their shows and DON'T know about bootlegs, trading etc. we have so many great metallica videos to watch, so watch and enjoy them!!

ps: sidenote on santos, i still don't know why and how this case with ron happened as i know him for quite a few years now and could always trust him...in my eyes, there are guys out in "this trading scene" who have broken/still break rules again and again, have pissed/still piss off people multiple times and showed/still show more than one time they can't be trusted and they are still around, people trade with them and nobody ever says anything...sorry, ron, that you made different experiences with santos.

[metmum]

Sorry to hear that Ron, you have released some of the best stuff out there.

Just so everyone knows, Ron always releases his stuff once he gets permission and most traders know that or should know that. I don't really know Santos but have known Ron through several sites as firstly members and then as mods, he tells it like it is.

Its this sort of thing that drives big traders away, they get fed up with some of the idiots weithin the trading world which isn't that big anyway. Hoarders and bad traders shoudn't be welcome. I bet there are some shows that have been hoarded where the tape has been damaged or the something has happened to the filmer and the tape has been thrown away etc and then been unable to be realeased at all. Its beeter if a show is out there in some form. And why the hell are new shows hoarded, I can understand if its a cliff show but none of the new shows are that special and you can hear the audio for all shows now anyway so new shows can be found in some format.

The metallica community should start looking at some of the other bands communitys like NIN and Mars volta. Filmers and audio tapers get together to release as many shows to the community as possible. Hell on the NIN website you can even download some of those shows. They make this community look like a bunch of children (which some people act like but I guess they have nothing in their lives).

Anywya Ron, here is a big THANK YOU for all the shows you have released in the past.

[damageinc777]

Hi all once again. As I said everyone gets to make their own decisions on the matter. I am not trying to sway any of you one way or another on who you trade/deal with.

I am just disappointed in the whole matter. This certain guy really rubbed me the wrong way. I would have rather handled the thing face to face but that is obviously impossible. Part of the problem with the internet.

I have received several emails since I posted this on here. And I guess I hit a nerve. From the sounds of it I guess I am not the only person that he has done stuff to. And I guess some of his shady dealings hit way below the belt. Something about the use of stolen files. I am just starting to learn about the whole blue ray thing so I am not super familiar with that whole aspect of it. But it does lead me to believe I brought up a sore subject that other people didn't want to address. And I understand & respect that. Probably because they didn't want to start shit. I fully believe in standing up for myself. If I am wronged which in this case I fully believe I have. And I don't care a whole lot about what other people think of me in tradeland. The people who know me know what kind of trader I am. And I believe most of the others I think are a little bit apprehensive on approaching me. I am actually pretty easy going & will try and take care of whoever I am trading with above & beyond. But this whole thing is just an irritant. I as I am sure most of you, have a lot better things to do.

As I said this show would have been circulated in time. There was never any intent to hoard it. But my rule has always been if I author it I get the okay to trade it first. For the most part I know what I can and can't trade out of what I author. So sometimes I will trade out a copy or two early if I can get something equal for it. Which I give a copy to the person I authored it for. There is a reason for everything I do.

I quit trading a couple of years ago. Cut almost all ties to the hobby except a few of the guys I have become friends with more personally. The kind of people where you talk to about more than just dvds. But I had a really bad experience with a guy who came onto the scene who started a bunch of crap and is totally gone now. Must have had some mental issues the best I can determine. But I missed the hobby. So I came back on a smaller level. I am just really into music. Types of all kinds. I still buy cd's regularly & have gone to on average 30 shows a year since 1985. So although only a hobby music is still a big part of my life. And I know I am not alone in the way I feel about the whole subject.

Which brings me to why I do what I do. I just plain old dig it. Have got pretty good at it over the years. And there is nothing like making someones day letting out a show they never knew existed. I can honestly say I probably spend more $ on this hobby than most. When I author a show I make a minimum of 5 copies for "my people". Local guys who have done good by me in the past and a couple of guys as I said who I have become more friends with than just trading buddies. And like karma it comes back to me every time. I will go to the mail box or answer the door & there will be a nice surprise greeting me I didn't expect. In a perfect world we could all be doing it perhaps in a smaller way. I mean look at the trading community in general. There are always wars going on somewhere. Our governments clashing. One country hates another for reasons beyond my comprehension sometimes. But as bootleg collectors we look past all of that. It's really cool to check a website and see a show I did on some guys list from Russia. Sure there will be disagreements. But for the most part I think of ourselves as a little higher and mightier than world powers who just can't seem to get it right. For the most part we all get along.

But there are always a couple of individuals who decide to do things their own way. Who weigh down the whole hobby. And for the most part I look past them. Don't deal with them. And I have been doing this a long time so I get the scoop on certain traders. Reputations do follow & if one of my good traders warn me on someone I avoid them. Even if they have certain shows I would really like to have. It just isn't worth it to me. As I said I would rather be doing something else right now.

Again as I said this was just a major disappointment. At times I have to kick back and remember not everyone thinks the same way I do. Basically the difference between right and wrong.

So here it is in a nutshell. At this moment I am thrown off my rocker. I will have to think about how I am going to continue for a while. I have read your comments. And a lot of them make perfect sense. Why make everyone pay for 1 individual. Remember though not all of this is going to up to me. But I will take all of it in consideration when making the decision. But it is really hard thinking of feeding someone who has a pantry full of food who's next door neighbor is starving. If that makes sense.

I will call him out though. Santos.....if you want everything of mine which I have released (including EVERY show I have personally filmed) how about you man up and do the same? And try being a bit more honest towards your fellow traders. Honesty will get you further. If not I would rather you pass on mine. Especially since I know for fact you are going through other people to get shows of mine now since you burned the direct bridge to me.

[damageinc777]

Anywya Ron, here is a big THANK YOU for all the shows you have released in the past.

No thank you Jackie. And all the rest who have had kind words on my part. It really makes a difference to me on a personal level!