Website Alexander2010 as example

[unforgiven]

Hi All,

More and more I see, copies of websites and pages, the people who build there own website and work every day on it to keep it updated, see there info copied and paste in other websites, for me it becomes more and more useless to make info pages.

I see even a copy of the excel tabel of Mike his site paste in Alex his site, is that building a website of your own? thats a hell of a job to make that all worked out, now its done in 50 sec. copy & paste!

It took me ages to make it as it now is ( no complaining at all , I love doing it) and I also used some info from others, but not such much as I see lately) also screens are all copies lately, or are asked by others to do and offer them shows for it. Website(s) with links going to mine website, never asked to use it by some ( some did)

I did the moving Gif on mine site made for it as first one, now I see it everywere, creative as we are, NOT, we copy it !


I even test pages to make mistakes in setlists and names , those I found back later on website(s) with mine faults in it. How can you say I worked on it and read all carefully

For me now its clear, fast and much authoring, gives no time for building a website of your own ( thats meant as a joke )

Well, iff this is after trading and hoarding the next step of collecting and info give about the Band we all love so bad, make a page of your own.

Just mine 50cent, and no war please

I dare to talk about it and wanne have a good discussion with respect and info , I cant solve this , but some respect and make your own stuff is not that must asked.

I want a NFT Website !! and thumbs up for all the websites what are from people who work that hard to keep it updated and info from there own used

CHeersz JW


ps: Just paid today the bill for mine website, I also have to work for that money to use for mine hobby!

[no leaf clover]

This is a good example of an neverending discussion.

This copy & paste behaviour is not just something of the trading world it has become standard in general the last couple of years.

It's the time we live in.

I agree with you that alot of people are copying and using info pages made by others. I for myself see traders that are linking to my info pages.
In the beginning that annoyed me but now I couldn't care less to be honest. At least that way people are visiting my site

To be honest, no one with a MHS website is original. The only thing that's different is the layout. All MHS sites are built using the same template.
My website isn't a MHS one, but I'm not original either. I downloaded a template and customized it myself using my CSS/HTML knowledge.

It's sad that people are copying info without checking or aren't making info pages themselves, but you have to realize not everyone is willing or is in the position to spend the amount of time to this hobby as some of us here.

The least people can do is ask for permission to use info. If they don't send them a pm.

I don't think starting a discussion here will bring any solution because it has been discussed before and that didn't help.

[norbinho]

sad but true, jw, but that's how it is nowadays, it seems...copying is easier and faster than doing it yourself, downloading is easier and faster than trading etc. there are a lot of examples where you can see these attitudes.

it's very similiar to the thing when filmers film a show...it's also a lot of work (hiding the cam, watching out not getting caught by securities, backache because of holding up a cam for more than 2 hours, transferring/authoring a show etc.) and it also costs a lot of money (buying a cam, additional equipment etc.)...after done all this, filmers offer a show for trade and get offered nothing or only low quality footage in trade...frustrating

it seems a lot of people today go the easiest and most comfortable way...and this you don't find only in the trading world, also in real life.

about your website, seems you know which people "steal" things/infos from your website...i think the only thing you can do is ask them to respect your wishes concerning your site and the informations on it...but if they will do? on the other side, it seems that they like your site and what you have done, otherwise they wouldn't visit it, link it, copy it etc.

[sjmike]

I gave Alex a copy of all my website data excluding screen shots and cover art to help him out with his new MHS website. In case you forgot, I also gave you a copy of all my screenshots and website data as well after yours was hacked along with Bob and some others. People copy comments and setlists from each others sites all the time and there is nothing you can do about it. You are guilty of that and so am I. People just need to ask permission ahead of time.

What is wrong with asking for help with screenshots? I think its a great way for people to acquire shows they want with minimal effort and ofter don't have anything to offer up for trade.

[Alexander2010]

As Mike said he gave me his infos, but anyway I try to change / issue of mine wish. It need time of course.

JW, I asked you for permission using some infos from your site and you have said "OK", for screens you have said "better use your screens", no problem, thanks anyway. What a problem now? If you see I don't use Mike's or your screens, my site hasn't still screens generally, only 2 shows of 1983 I did myself already. And if I need screens or something else I ask people about.

I work 2-5 hours almost everyday on my webpage and I must say it's hard work. Anyway if I copy anything I check all shows for format, setlist, author e.t.c. because is not all infos are true. What I copy it's only comments, because my English is not correct.

[Paganec]

Really? I should PM someone if I wanna use his show's info, which is only a few sentences? JW, so you've never used others' info? You copied some from my site as well.
Its 21th Century, its the Internet, everyone here steals something everyday. You've never illegally downloaded any song, any soft, a movie?

You're collecting and trading bootlegs (I wouldn't call this fully legal) / you wanted to sell to community Mexico show for enormous $$$ and now you're speaking about this here? This is ridiculous.
People use my pages? Why should I care at all? That only means I made something good and useful.

P.S. I couldn't find anything like "Don't copy any of this material without my permission" note on your site? How would people know you're against this in a first place?

[unforgiven]

Like always Paganec is offensive. For me no answer anymore in this topic Paganec spoilt it again as usual negative
Cya

[damageinc]

Another storm in a teacup...

[no leaf clover]

Topic closed.

This is not gonna be the next fight!