What Does It Take To Be A Fan?

[Poolzer]

that's how I am with Def Leppard. High and Dry will always be in my top 5 albums of all time. They put out some great riffs and raw music in the early 80's, even with the glossed over pyromania (mutt lang was to them, what bob rock was to TBA). They're great in concert, though I havent purchased anything from them since Slang came out, I get that they went the way of pop songs to get a more diverse and equal crowd of men and women, every girl loves a sappy ballad and every guy will learn it for that girl .

It'd be just amazing if they could revisit the sound they had prior to mutt and put out a balls out rock album again.

[Danallica]

I think to a degree it makes you more of a fan if you simply don't simply follow a trend or listen to an album because it's cool, questioning and judging what your facourite band puts is what makes you a fan.

Does it make someone less of a fan because they like the albums you hate? Just because they listen to a parcitular ablum, are they judged as listening as "following a trend because it is cool" when in reality they listen to it because they really like the album? Do we then have "sell out fans" because they like and enjoy a particual direction the band has gone once the "true diehard - I only like them before the Black Alubm came out" fans has deemed the band as a "sell out"?

Fair enough point.

I think I've always viewed the real Metallica as pre Black album, so people who say 'I only like them from TBA onwards' I don't class as fans; how can you like metallica, but not their first 4 albums, it doesn't work. But no it doesn't neccassarily make someone less of a fan because they hate and album that I like, which I think contradicts what I just said.

My point about trendy was that would the vast amount of 14-15 yr old kids that are obsessed with Load/Reload wouldn't have even given those albums a look in had it not been for Metallica's Rock God status and their emense popularity at particulairly amongst the youth. So what I was getting at is that someone who buys an album on the basis that it is in the charts and their friends listen to it and they want to be accepted etc... Dones't make them a fan of the band, even if they like the album, because without all the non-musical factors that influenced them to buy the album, they never would have.

[Leighton]

How can you follow something that hasn't existed for 15 years, Dan? You're not a fan, you just listen to them.

Just because someone only likes their post-TBA stuff it hardly means they hate the pre-TBA stuff. In fact, I've never heard of the vitriol hurled from that side of fandom at all, especially compared to your side.

[MetDream]

Just because someone only likes their post-TBA stuff it hardly means they hate the pre-TBA stuff. In fact, I've never heard of the vitriol hurled from that side of fandom at all, especially compared to your side.

I was thinking the same thing, that I havent heard of too many folks who do not like the pre TBA stuff.

[Danallica]

How can you follow something that hasn't existed for 15 years, Dan?

Are their sets still not comprised almost entirely of theit 1980s stuff? I think they even know that anything post Black album is shit

[Leighton]

The answer to your first question is, not really. And your second statement is simply stupid.

[MetDream]

The answer to your first question is, not really. And your second statement is simply stupid.

Although your statement could have been more tactfully said, I agree.

[Danallica]

The answer to your first question is, not really. And your second statement is simply stupid.

hmm

Creeping Death
Fuel
Wherever I May Roam
For Whom The Bell Tolls
The Unforgiven
Battery
Master of Puppets
The Thing That Should Not Be
Welcome Home (Sanitarium)
Disposable Heroes
Leper Messiah
Orion
Damage, Inc.

Sad But True
Nothing Else Matters
One
Enter Sandman

The Other New Song
Seek and Destroy

12/19 are pre-black album

So yeh, their setlists are comprised mostly of songs from their good albums.

If they thought that their post 80s stuff was good they would grow some balls and do what Maiden is doing.

[Leighton]

Why not select their last concert? Don't worry about answering, we already know. Given it was a 20th Anniversary celebration, it's little wonder there are more songs from outside the last 15 years. But the 12/19 itself ruled out your notion of "almost entirely" old school setlists.

And why not choose their last real tour? 2004? Again, don't worry about answering.

And on another point, if you don't like where they're coming from musically now, why sieze on today's setlists to try and back you up? Surely their new slant on their style would turn an old fan off seeing them performed now on the new school stage.

The only time an old-fan rambling makes any sense is when they were there and saw it themselves. Other than then, I just have a good chuckle at them.

[LeperMessiah26]

Why do these kinda topics always end up with bitching over Pre Black Album Vs After Black Album Metallica????

They changed style..They had a long overdue haircut...Big Deal....How many haircuts have you had this year? at least 5? Then that makes you a sell out,to all the people who have hair similar to you,You traitor!!

Bullshit isnt it?

Slayer,if i remember rightly,started out wearing fucking spandex,and looked utter twats...then they changed their look...i wonder if Slayer fans are still bitter they dont look gay anymore? Probably not i think