Bitching from the Hockenhiem Thread

[norbinho]

Well, i will finish up these DVD this weekend or beginning of next week and then that will be all.

So far, people i can trust are guys like trash, nassim, frantic, antinea, michael, adam, bernd & nicolas. The rest LOSERS. As of now i will only do trades with people like these, keep all N/A in between friends.

your trust is appreciated, dennis...maybe the understandable anger about all these things will be gone in the future and some shows will still be shared.

...and if not, life will still go on these are just dvds, and no video can substitute the great feelings, emotions, ... you can experience on live shows from bands like metallica, machine head, korn etc.

[Metfan72]

someone converted jörg's great video to an avi file and it's available for download on jitf!!

OMG, shit is just getting fucking worse for these 2 great filmers.

You know Bernd, as much as I want to share my recording, and it is not recorded in HD so probably not that important to some, shit like this just makes me say fuck it and just keep it and only trade to a couple people I know 100% I can trust.

i know what you mean, paul...i'm already thinking what i will do with my munich master (still working on other shows before i have time for this one) to not make shit like that happen to it.

i think the only thing we can do is putting a watermark on it and then let it out...don't want to be called one of these guys who keeps videos forever and himself!!

Fully understand Bernd. Don't want to be that guy either and as you have seen I have released my shows.

Judas Priest is out there thanks to your great Authoring, my Dream Theater I willingly put out there, not even for trade just vined it for all to have, so it is not like I want to be a hoarder, just can't believe how many times filmers can get fucked over by the same guy and the Ban Hammer never drops on him.

yeah, i understand your point too...these things happening with great master videos (being compressed to shitty quality, being uploaded everywhere, ....) are really annoying...i think a big problem is that "generation download" only wants to push a button to get a show and not do a trade for it!!

...but as you said, i could understand if great filmers like you, dennis or jörg stop releasing their videos (which would be sad for all the guys who appreciated releases of new shows) because "generation download" has no respect for guys who try to film shows and release them...all this converting and re-authoring of shows should stop!!

Bernd, I appreciate the great filmer comment, but as with all recordings, they could always be better. But know this Bernd, just as Jorg & Dennis trust you, so do I and I know I could pass along a copy to you and know it will be safe.

I don't want to not release it, but damn first Jorg, now Dennis??

Same thing happened to Jake not long ago, Nick had his Youtube clip included in that MCS release. Again, it is just going downhill even farther than it was just a few months ago.

@Dennis. I truly hope you don't believe me to be one of the so called "LOSERS" dude.

I am on your side with this issue.

[franticfreak]

what the fuck??? wich fuckhole did the avi rip???
and what is jitf?

dennis is right, its time to tape just for ppl who are close to you.
Wich are for me
of course dennis, then antinea, trash, nas, bernd, and 2 non traders....

it realy sucks that some ppl dont have any kind of respect for our work.....

[Metfan72]

Like I already said before.

Thanks for the shows you taped and released for us all.

Sooner or later I knew you would get fed up with people disrespecting your work.

[norbinho]

Bernd, I appreciate the great filmer comment, but as with all recordings, they could always be better. But know this Bernd, just as Jorg & Dennis trust you, so do I and I know I could pass along a copy to you and know it will be safe.

I don't want to not release it, but damn first Jorg, now Dennis??

Same thing happened to Jake not long ago, Nick had his Youtube clip included in that MCS release. Again, it is just going downhill even farther than it was just a few months ago.

@Dennis. I truly hope you don't believe me to be one of the so called "LOSERS" dude.

I am on your side with this issue.

i think filmers always say they could have done the filming better...i'm so too my jonschwil source for example is 80% screens taped because there was so much security around...but anyway i'm glad i got it and some others too...and i have some memories from this great show...it's always great to have video footage from a show you have attended, i think.

paul, i got your point clearly...if something isn't shared because of this convertings things and re-authorings happening, i think everyone can see the reason why something won't be released...if a show is shared freely, to be honest most of us would like to have it because we like the music and live shows of our favourite bands...if something is not shared because of above mentioned issues, i can understand that and respect that.

to be honest, what i not understand/like is, if a video isn't shared with no reason, but is stated to exist...that is just fooling around with others...but that's another topic and i have posted enough on that during my being in this community here

in the end, the filmers decides what happens with the video and others have to respect/accept his decision!!

good night

[Metfan72]

Bernd, I just feel bad that more and more tapers are being lost in the Metallica community, that's all.

And we are losing good guys to guys that have never filmed a show in their life but HAVE to have every show in existence, but are too gutless to sneak a cam in and do it themselves and share with everyone, but yet they expect everyone else to share and be OK when their wishes to not trade or share are not respected.

Hopefully that is all.

[franticfreak]

Things like this make my decision to not share my stuff anymore not hard, sure you cant change it when some asshole torrent your master, but....but it sucks its the thrid or fourth time shit like that happend to me.
I mean, im not even finish with the trade (some ppl still waiting) and now i see that some fuckhead upload the dvd...i wish i would know who did that...Now i know why some ppl stoped answering me after a deal was set.....
Sometimes i think some people hate me and dennis or are just jelous of our masters, dunno....

[Metallifreak]

Well Jörg, maybe you should wait sending them out, until you have finished burning all the DVD's for your trades. So they have them all at nearly the same time. I know shit will always happen, but so you have been able to finish all your own trades first, and so you can get what you want.

[norbinho]

Things like this make my decision to not share my stuff anymore not hard, sure you cant change it when some asshole torrent your master, but....but it sucks its the thrid or fourth time shit like that happend to me.
I mean, im not even finish with the trade (some ppl still waiting) and now i see that some fuckhead upload the dvd...i wish i would know who did that...Now i know why some ppl stoped answering me after a deal was set.....
Sometimes i think some people hate me and dennis or are just jelous of our masters, dunno....

certain people are jealous about your masters i would say...it's sad to hear that people who first wanted to trade with you didn't answer anymore...i think they saw they can grab these shows from others faster...shouldn't happen in respect to the taper.

i like trading with the filmers of shows as i film some shows myself and also want to get shows i'm searching for...it doesn't matter if i can get a show next week or in 2 months.

some people know what i'm talking about

[damageinc]

Guys, I'm global moderator at jitf so I can remove that topic anytime just let me know. But as I see that guy who shared got it from some torrent.

i have found the show via torrent!

Therefore I don't think he ripped it, it could have been anybody from the whole World. That still sucks, and I feel sorry to you tapers. Again, if you want I can remove the topic so it will somewhat stop the spreading of that lossy crap.

Edit: just checked his IP and it's from Germany.