What has happened?

[rusalguhl]

But now the next step: what's gonna change? which steps are we as a community going to take to make things better? And by we I mean everyone not just a few people.

you can do nothing against this...

a little story,
i filmed a band in 2011, i know 2 other filmers also filmed this show, one ask me about my source for trade, i told him, ok, for your source in return, his answer was, sorry, but my recording is NFT.

what can i do ? Nothing, i only can hold my source also NFT, trade only for other sources of this show, I m sure I never will see this other sources in the future,
but why should this hoarder gets my source from anyone else ?

[LeperMessiah26]

Jürgen, that sucks, but like you said, what can you do? There is nothing much you can do unfortunately. Some people´s attitudes you cannot change!


Sebastiaan.......what is the next step? Well, for a start, everyone should get rid of the RT/NFT from their websites/lists. If a show is NFT because the taper requests that, then that is fine.....just don´t list it!
If people do not see it listed, no one can say anything wrong about you, and you won´t get bugged 20 times a day about the show. No names mentioned there!

The 2nd step? Why not seed a nice show here? And I know what people will say...."Why should I seed something nice, when person X will not do that?" Why? because it then shows the rest of us who the good guys are, who are willing to step up and do good for the community. So what if others will not do that, they fuck themselves in the long run, as people know what they are truely like.
You do a good deed for the community, and you can say, "At least I tried to change things with my attitude" Hopefully, other people see this good deed and follow suit.

And for people who may say I am all talk and no action.....I will start the ball rolling. Keep an eye on the Metallica tracker today

[J0nn0666]

Jürgen, that sucks, but like you said, what can you do? There is nothing much you can do unfortunately. Some people´s attitudes you cannot change!


Sebastiaan.......what is the next step? Well, for a start, everyone should get rid of the RT/NFT from their websites/lists. If a show is NFT because the taper requests that, then that is fine.....just don´t list it!
If people do not see it listed, no one can say anything wrong about you, and you won´t get bugged 20 times a day about the show. No names mentioned there!

The 2nd step? Why not seed a nice show here? And I know what people will say...."Why should I seed something nice, when person X will not do that?" Why? because it then shows the rest of us who the good guys are, who are willing to step up and do good for the community. So what if others will not do that, they fuck themselves in the long run, as people know what they are truely like.
You do a good deed for the community, and you can say, "At least I tried to change things with my attitude" Hopefully, other people see this good deed and follow suit.

And for people who may say I am all talk and no action.....I will start the ball rolling. Keep an eye on the Metallica tracker today

Great idea mate,not one thing on my list is NFT/RT anyways.Good luck with getting others to follow suit,think it'll be almost impossible,But until some high profile people start doing it,it prolly won't fly......

[norbinho]

Sebastiaan.......what is the next step? Well, for a start, everyone should get rid of the RT/NFT from their websites/lists. If a show is NFT because the taper requests that, then that is fine.....just don´t list it!
If people do not see it listed, no one can say anything wrong about you, and you won´t get bugged 20 times a day about the show. No names mentioned there!

good idea, michael, this would also prevent certain people from becoming greedy or nasty.

The 2nd step? Why not seed a nice show here? And I know what people will say...."Why should I seed something nice, when person X will not do that?" Why? because it then shows the rest of us who the good guys are, who are willing to step up and do good for the community. So what if others will not do that, they fuck themselves in the long run, as people know what they are truely like.
You do a good deed for the community, and you can say, "At least I tried to change things with my attitude" Hopefully, other people see this good deed and follow suit.

almost 2 years ago i tried to "awake" the metallica trading community by offering to share a special and rare show (copenhagen '09) if 5 other people do the same and share something rare too...unfortunately only a few guys were willing to join me...anyway, nonetheless the specific show is out yet and nothing changed...would be wonderful if your call for sharing new stuff here, michael, will be more successful

i'll follow you, michael, because finally it's sad to see how bad a few people talk about metpage...this is not fair towards hugo (visigod) and his team who created this wonderful site here over 10 years ago...and it's not fair towards all the good people here who helped me building up my collection in the past and who still enjoy coming here.

my only problem is, i've become pretty slowly with authoring my metallica masters in the last years, but be prepared for one on the tracker tonight

[LeperMessiah26]

As you will have no doubt noticed, I did not put a show on the tracker yesterday. I am looking into a few tech probs. I WILL put something up though!

[no leaf clover]

Take your time Michael. It's just a show.

[FotherMucker99]

As far as the whole sharing (torrent in metpage's case) everything just a couple mouse clicks away goes there's several issues that come in the wake of this mentality.

There's enough people out there that are hesitating to share their shows, because there's always the one idiot that thinks he needs to profit off other people's work.

Imagine not only finding out that your work that was intented to be shared free amongst likeminded people is up for sale, but then maybe getting tracked and fined for filming the show and all of that because one idiot's need to bootleg unofficial fan made live recordings?

Also let's not forget that there's still people out there that don't just hold a generic "video camera" up in the air for x amount of time and think they can call themselves a filmer!

There's people out there that have made filming a show into almost a form of art- buying/maintaining the gear, learning how to use it, buying a concert ticket, getting the gear past security into the venue, securing a good filming spot, running external audio gear at the same time, dealing with drunk/stupid punters while they're trying to keep a steady/unobstructed shot, watching the show through a palm sized display, editing/authoring a show and then to just have 80% hit&runners on his shared torrent, 3 thank you postings and 2 people complaining about why it's rendered this way instead of that way and finally one dude asking for a DVD version of the BR you just uploaded?

Unless you've done/experienced all of the above I say people need to think twice before they post things like "every show should be uploaded for my viewing pleasure, because I said so!!!111" (I'm purposely exaggerating now, relax) and actually wrap their head around what really goes on behind the scenes of "just filming a show", because those postings are just as stupid as the whole discussion about the horrible trading scene of today.

P.S.: What's most surprising though is the lack of respect for all the old school filmers, the guys that went into a venue with a camera that's 20x the size of what people use nowadays and actually get the show filmed (not to mention video cameras cost a fortune back then), authored, traded via snail mail etc (yes, back then people had no choice but to use the mail in order to circulate shows- no internet/cell phones back then either)!
I tip my hat to those guys, really do!
Sadly none of them are posting much/active at all anymore.

[aeiseleusa]

This past weekend was an incredible event close to where I live. A 3 year old boy and his father are very sick they have leukemia. The boy has already died before this event took place. This past Sunday 2000 people came to get blood taken to be put in a world wide data base to help people that have leukemia, and mainly to help those two.
What did they get for doing this .... not a damn thing.
I found this very emotional. I live in a village with 2000 people, and a lot of small villages around us. This was amazing to see how many people are out there to help for absolutely nothing.

Now to shows and hoarding them or giving them to everybody for nothing.
I wonder what you out there would do if you would become ill, would you be on your own ?

This post can be deleted if it is out of place.
I just think the energy wasted on keeping shows marked and labeled as nft or rt is nonsense.

[LeperMessiah26]

This past weekend was an incredible event close to where I live. A 3 year old boy and his father are very sick they have leukemia. The boy has already died before this event took place. This past Sunday 2000 people came to get blood taken to be put in a world wide data base to help people that have leukemia, and mainly to help those two.
What did they get for doing this .... not a damn thing.
I found this very emotional. I live in a village with 2000 people, and a lot of small villages around us. This was amazing to see how many people are out there to help for absolutely nothing.

Now to shows and hoarding them or giving them to everybody for nothing.
I wonder what you out there would do if you would become ill, would you be on your own ?

This post can be deleted if it is out of place.
I just think the energy wasted on keeping shows marked and labeled as nft or rt is nonsense.

That's a great story, hope a donor will be found for that family... Everybody who is able to should have his/her details added to the marrow donor database. Stäbchen rein, Spender sein!

Take your time Michael. It's just a show.

I obviously did... tech problems solved now, show is on the tracker for grabs

[koopee27]

i think i might join this "getting things out of the closet extravaganza" soon...

kp